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Long, but worthe the read, as is the rest of the book. You may as I did find minor points of dispute with the author's premises, but his vision is on the whole a breathtaking model of clarity. I'd love to sit in on a discussion between Harris and VDH.
1 posted on 10/28/2004 10:26:07 AM PDT by Noumenon
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To: Noumenon
Ibn Khaldûn...

[S]edentary life becomes the last stage of civilization and the point where it begins to decay. It also constitutes the last stage of evil and of remoteness from goodness.... [S]edentary people have become used to laziness and ease. They are sunk in well-being and luxury. They have entrusted the defense of their property and lives to the governor who rules them, and to the militia which has the task of guarding them.... They are carefree and trusting, and have ceased to carry weapons. Successive generations have grown up in this way of life. They have become like women and children, who depend upon the master of the house."
-- Ibn Khaldûn, Muqaddimah, 1377

2 posted on 10/28/2004 10:33:22 AM PDT by sionnsar (NYT/Cbs: "It's fake but true!" | Iran Azadi | Traditional Anglicans: trad-anglican.faithweb.com)
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Wow, a great read! Bookmarked and printed out! Thanks. You are right, imagine this guy and VDH together on a talk show or something..


3 posted on 10/28/2004 10:36:42 AM PDT by Paradox (Occam was probably right.)
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According to Spengler, Civilization is the degraded form of Culture. He talked about the various stages of bloom and decline of cultures over time. When we look at the Muslim culture and the civilization it produced, we see a failed and inferior culture to begin with....what??? tell half of humanity to sit at home with a sheet over your head?
5 posted on 10/28/2004 10:42:17 AM PDT by SMARTY ('Stay together, pay the soldiers, forget everything else." Lucius Septimus Severus, to his sons)
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read later


9 posted on 10/28/2004 11:06:26 AM PDT by snopercod (Inflation, it's how wars are paid for.)
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To: Noumenon

You keyed this in yourself, didn't you?

I've started reading it, but not finished yet.


14 posted on 10/28/2004 1:16:19 PM PDT by snopercod (Inflation, it's how wars are paid for.)
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To: Noumenon

Good post, Nnnnnnoumen. Long time no see.


22 posted on 10/28/2004 3:30:04 PM PDT by Dr.Deth
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To: Noumenon

BTTT! Great Book!


24 posted on 05/28/2010 8:36:06 AM PDT by Libertarianize the GOP (Make all taxes truly voluntary)
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A code of honor, to be effective when it is needed, requires a tradition that is blindly accepted by the men and women who are expected to live by this code. To work when it must, a code of honor must be the unspoken and unquestioned law governing a community; a law written not in law books but in the heart – something like an instinct.

At the moment, Marxism is our nation's most urgent and serious threat. It is occupying center stage. Islam is waiting in the green room.

Only a nation's whose population is thoroughly educated and capable of defending its Judeo Christian priniciples and our nation's founding values is capable of defending against the threats of Marxism and Islam.

I am on these message boards day after day sounding the warning. We MUST MUST MUST shut down our socialist and atheistic government K-12 schools!!! Socialist-funded and atheistic schools can NOT be reformed! They are utterly incapable of preparing our nation's citizens to defend freedom!!!

Conservatives MUST MUST MUST get our nation's children into private conservative schools that will thoroughly and completely integrate into every minute of every school day the Judeo Christian values upon which our nation was founded. Without this "Code of Honor", we are facing a 1,000 year long Dark Age.

26 posted on 05/28/2010 9:47:44 AM PDT by wintertime
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