Posted on 10/27/2004 4:11:39 PM PDT by rhema
Wouldn't require a national ID card. Even a state card would work, as long as it was issued only after checking other ID, ssn, drivers licences, etc.
oh....good thought....I wasn't thinking of it that way.
oh....good thought....I wasn't thinking of it that way.
FYI - In California a bill to require photo ID's for voters did not get out of the Democratic controlled committees. When you say "nothing legitimate", you are right: there is no legitimate reason not to make the required changes. However, as long as the Democrats can control this process there will be no changes made.
Well - WE the PEOPLE - would still be the PEOPLE
State or federal -
Honestly - I'm talking about having the rules the same for all states. As it stands now - some states make it very easy for "Fraud" to take place. If you ask me - that impacts on the voters in the other states -
Without some kind of national identification,
one could obtain cards from multiple states.
The national identification is what stops someone
from voting an absentee ballot in New York
and then showing up at a poll in person in Florida.
(2) Any network announcing any results or calling any election before 9 PM Sunday night will have its FCC Licence revoked as of Monday morning at 9 AM.
All you need do is have Florida and New York cross check the ID used to apply for voter cards. (All done electroniclly of course).
If I apply for a Driver's license in Colorado, I have to surrender my New York License. Same could be true for voter cards.
Take heart! You are not alone! However, I do feel that we are perhaps a minority but with ever increasing numbers. One observation I have made among my right winger friends is that many of them, while disdaining vote fraud, don't want the government knowing too much information about them and how they vote. I think they misunderstand our intent. I think having a secure voter registration which clearly identifies you as a legal, alive, American citizen, is a good thing. The process would be aimed at controlling the registration. You could then vote with total anonymity.
My dream case scenario is that once your national voter registration has been completed you are a registered voter. If you do not complete the national voter registration at least 60 days prior to the day of voting, then you don't vote. Your voter registration ID would be valid as long as you are alive and maintain your legal status as an American voter. Upon presenting your ID at the ENTRANCE to the polling place it would be recorded into a database. You would then ENTER the polling place and follow your state's guidelines for voting with total secrecy.
No voter I.D., not gonna vote today! More votes than registered voters..... check the database!
.... and that's why I'll never be elected!
The purpose of the provisional ballot system was to allow a voter
to show up at a polling place and if his name did not appear on
the official registered voters list, he could go ahead and vote 'provisionally'
and that ballot would be held and not counted until such time as the validity
of the voters eligibility to vote could be verified.
My opinion is that in the hypothetical case given,
the voter from St. Paul would (should) be found inelligible to vote in Bimidji.
Actually.....the voter fraud legal PENALTY is what would convince people to NOT commit voter fraud. All lawmakers have to do is make it financially (and otherwise) inconvenient to commit voter fraud.....as such criminals would find themselves in prison (and not a federal prison as Martha Stewart's cellmate) and paying for their crime....just like REAL criminals!
The question is, why hasn't Bush acted on this? In four years he has done next to nothing, as far as I can see.
Please correct me if I am wrong.
My bad, you are right, it's all Bush's fault.
There are two of us!
" It might be ISSUED by the state of residence,
but it must be VERIFIED on a national level.
And THAT, my friend, is what one typically calls a NATIONAL ID."
Think so?
My Credit card gets verified on a national level.
Last time I heard, Visa was not a Nation. Yet any podunk bank in the smallest of towns can issue me a card I can use virtually anywhere in the world, and which can be verified virtually anywhere. Yes it can be stolen, but even stolen it can't be long used.
You vastly overstate the scope of the problem, and you
spread FUD by running around crying National ID National ID.
If the penalties for committing voter fraud were increased (or enforced), people would think twice (or at least once) BEFORE committing voter fraud. As it is, they never even fear getting caught. Again...whose fault is that? Bush has had FOUR YEARS to fix it and it ain't fixed.
"...can issue me a card I can use virtually anywhere in the world...
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Now you seem to be coming up with counter-arguments to your own point.
No matter where you go with that card, the bank, or electronic machine or whatever recognizes it as being "you".
I am not "...running around crying National ID National ID..." as you claim.
I simply do not see any other method to stop the fraud,
and I was explaining what such a card would have to do.
You have run out of logic, out of ideas, and turned to insults.
End of discussion.
Peace, out.
The Republicans have had full control for the last TWO years. Are you in disagreement with that fact?
Don't get me wrong....I have already voted against Kerry by voting FOR Bush, but I sure as hell will NOT blindly follow Bush if he does something I don't agree with (like this particular issue and like not controlling our borders). My question 'still' is....why HASN'T this problem been fixed by now?
This one is way tooooooo easy: CORRUPT POLITICIANS
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