[ilgipper]

He gives credit to Bush for every single significant act of the last 4 years, but then says he is wrong because of Abu Garib? As if Bush was over there with a bull horn directing the building of the pyramid.

He also rightly cites the single reason why the UN would not support the mission: Oil for Food, and French corruption. So Bush was right to go, but wrong to go because the corrupt French said no.

Sullivan has absolutely no clue. He is now irrelevant.

[Retiredforever]

Andrew Sullivan mentions "Abu Ghraib" as a terrible blow to the US credibility. It was bad, but no worse than a lot of the fraternity hazings that take place on college campuses during "hell week". What is worse, the treatment of prisoners (who were formerly trying to kill our troops) or guys like Al Zarqawi, who seems to take great delight in sawing off the heads of his hostages? Were is the outrage??

[ARCADIA]

I don't think that the prison scandal was that bad. I disagree with Sullivan there. (I don't think it was that big a PR coup for the enemy, either. People in that part of the world know how real prison abuse - torture - murder - is.