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An arresting offer: guns for freedom
The Baltimore Sun ^ | October 25, 2004 | Ryan Davis

Posted on 10/25/2004 8:40:14 AM PDT by neverdem

Two police officers dropped the handcuffed man on the brick steps before Sheila Harding's front door, she says.

From his knees, 23-year-old Richard William Rogers Jr. pleaded to the woman who helped raise him. "They're locking me up," he remembers saying. "But if you give them a gun, they'll let me go."

It was a startling proposition, Harding says: Trade a gun to avoid a criminal charge.

Interviews and court documents reveal this is a common deal offered by Baltimore police to the suspects they arrest, usually in minor drug cases. It's so typical that one lieutenant recently declared it a regular procedure within the Police Department's Southern District. And some officers developed forms to complete when conducting such exchanges.

"That's kidnapping and holding for ransom," says Harding, a 59-year-old South Baltimore resident. "And because they have a badge and a gun, they're allowed to get away with it."

Guns-for-freedom trades have persisted in Baltimore for years, largely unchecked by police department leaders and entirely unsanctioned by the rest of the criminal justice system. Prosecutors, defense attorneys, judges and residents say it raises serious concerns about the authority being exerted by the Baltimore Police Department.

The deals aren't legal or enforceable, experts say.

Residents such as Harding say the practice promotes unwarranted arrests. Criminal defense attorneys say the deals are frequently broken, prompting distrust of police. Prosecutors say police are usurping the power of prosecutors and judges.

"How is that justice?" asks Cheryl Jacobs, the chief prosecutor of the city state's attorney's narcotic division. "That's not the way our system of justice is set up to work. ... It's laudable to get guns off the street, but this is not the way we go about it."

Unofficially, officers and supervisors say it can be a good way to get a...

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Maryland; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: banglist; bonglist; guncontrol; gunprohibition; secondamendment; wod; wodlist; wog
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In a state which was unable to pass its own version of the "Assault Weapons Ban", this story is the perfect peephole into the mindset of urban cops and the corruption of justice caused by the war on drugs. This comment is the only one I will make on this thread. I encourage you to read "The war on guns" and its thread on FR. Adios
1 posted on 10/25/2004 8:40:14 AM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

This is one case in which I think the A.C.L.U. needs to be involved in.


2 posted on 10/25/2004 8:43:21 AM PDT by alchemist54
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To: neverdem

for a minor offense ?? I hate to say it, but not a bad idea for BOTH sides.

the drug possession laws are a travesty to begin with.


3 posted on 10/25/2004 8:43:46 AM PDT by steplock (http://www.outoftimeradio.org)
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To: neverdem

The weapons from such shake-downs can be used for throwaways (after using them to murder pesky petty criminals or citizens who feud with public officials) or sold to the more organized criminals for cash.


4 posted on 10/25/2004 8:44:38 AM PDT by familyop (Receive, adhere, listen, dissolve, entice and launch.)
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To: neverdem

Quite a few years ago, most municipal police chiefs voted Democrat. Now that most police are not married or have been divorced at least once, most municipal police vote Democrat.


5 posted on 10/25/2004 8:49:41 AM PDT by familyop (Receive, adhere, listen, dissolve, entice and launch.)
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To: neverdem

Bookmark bump


6 posted on 10/25/2004 9:03:26 AM PDT by dbwz (Self-Defense is a Basic Human Right -- 2asisters.org)
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To: neverdem

trade your guns for shackles


7 posted on 10/25/2004 9:04:25 AM PDT by joesnuffy (America needs a 'Big Dog' on her porch not a easily frightened, whining, French,"Surrender Poodle"..)
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To: neverdem
This has to be one of the dumbest things I have ever heard of.

No, it is the stupidest thing I have ever heard of.

If they deserve to be arressted, they let them pay a bribe and get off.

The idea that they are reducing crime by removing an easily replaceable tool is idiotic beyond belief.

8 posted on 10/25/2004 9:08:56 AM PDT by yarddog
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To: neverdem
"That's kidnapping and holding for ransom," says Harding, a 59-year-old South Baltimore resident. "And because they have a badge and a gun, they're allowed to get away with it."

The Maryland state authorities need to investigate and prosecute this shakedown menace.

9 posted on 10/25/2004 9:20:33 AM PDT by afnamvet (Tuy Hoa AB RVN 68-69 Jet Noise...The Sound of Freedom!)
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To: yarddog
yarddog said: "The idea that they are reducing crime by removing an easily replaceable tool is idiotic beyond belief."

What criminal would hear of this "program" and fail to set aside a cheap gun as an insurance policy? It's probably much cheaper than posting bail. Some career criminals might have to buy cheap guns by the dozen.

10 posted on 10/25/2004 10:07:24 AM PDT by William Tell
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To: familyop
Most Chiefs of Police in the large metro areas hold their jobs at the whim of a largely Democratic city council, hence pay lip service to gun control.
The vast majority of rank and file working cops are hard core conservatives and vote Republican. This "gun for freedom deal" is common practice. One has to hear the cries of a mother over the death of a child to understand the officer's thinking. I'm a lifer NRA member, Swifty donor, retired cop and approve that practice. You just have to be there to understand. When you see the President with Ashley you'll get a glimpse of what I'm saying.
11 posted on 10/25/2004 10:11:40 AM PDT by investigateworld ((Father, watch over our service men and women, they are so young and far from home))
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To: steplock

So if I'm a criminal, all I have to do is keep a stolen gun around, and any time I get busted, the cops will let me off. Yeah that's brilliant!


12 posted on 10/25/2004 10:15:02 AM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: neverdem

What do they do with the guns?


13 posted on 10/25/2004 10:25:50 AM PDT by Ken H
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To: afnamvet

"The Maryland state authorities need to investigate and prosecute this shakedown menace."

No kidding, I think Mexican border town cops have better ethics than this. Ridiculous.


14 posted on 10/25/2004 10:26:58 AM PDT by Kornev
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To: afnamvet

I agree. They should be all fired, from the Police Chief down.

Can everyone say "POLICE STATE" !!!!!!!!!!

What a crock of BS this is. Let the judges sort out who's guilty and who's not. The police do not have the right to judge and then execute a "fine" for ANY alleged crime. This practice is the first step to a Totalitarian Govt.


15 posted on 10/25/2004 10:27:33 AM PDT by panaxanax
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To: ozzymandus
So if I'm a criminal, all I have to do is keep a stolen gun around, and any time I get busted, the cops will let me off. Yeah that's brilliant!

Brilliant indeed. Have a cheap Saturday Night Special the location of which you can disclose, but not in your personal possession, and walk. Brilliant insight indeed!

16 posted on 10/25/2004 10:36:56 AM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: neverdem; All

Pardon me for making another comment, but I couldn't resist.


17 posted on 10/25/2004 10:41:46 AM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: Happy2BMe; JackelopeBreeder; Squantos; TexasCowboy

Give me an illegal and I'll let you walk.


18 posted on 10/25/2004 12:09:35 PM PDT by B4Ranch (´´Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; They are our teeth for Liberty)
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To: investigateworld
"You just have to be there to understand."

Nonsense!
Cops are paid to enforce the law - period.
It doesn't matter what your "feelings" are. If it's not the law, it's not enforceable.

19 posted on 10/25/2004 12:38:18 PM PDT by TexasCowboy (COB1)
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To: B4Ranch
Can't be done, B4.

That assumes you would know if the person offered is an illegal, and since you're not allowed to ask, the illegal would have to come forth to admit such.
Yeah, right!

20 posted on 10/25/2004 12:42:26 PM PDT by TexasCowboy (COB1)
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