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Captain Sues to Stop Iraq Deployment
Fox News ^ | October 23, 2004 | AP

Posted on 10/24/2004 11:58:01 AM PDT by where's_the_Outrage?

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My initial thought was this guy has a case as he submitted to resign his commission.

However, notice that he's being assigned to the 306th Military Police Battalion, which implies he has the MP MOS. The Army has a stop loss on this MOS.

Bottom line, the Army isn't always fair, and he's getting the Sh#t end of the stick. However, contigencies of the service.

1 posted on 10/24/2004 11:58:01 AM PDT by where's_the_Outrage?
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To: where's_the_Outrage?
An Army captain sued the government Friday to block his pending deployment to Iraq.

If he doesn't want to go to Iraq, he doesn't have to. He can instead opt for a courtmartial and a few years in the stockade followed by a DISHONORABLE discharge.

Dammit, this chump knew what he signed up for. I don't give a good rip what he thinks now. He signed a contract. He needs to be a man and live up to it.

2 posted on 10/24/2004 12:02:15 PM PDT by Prime Choice (The Leftists think they can tax us into "prosperity" and regulate us into "liberty.")
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Frigging coward needs to be stripped and drummed out - he can go join the islamic jihad.


3 posted on 10/24/2004 12:03:24 PM PDT by steplock (http://www.outoftimeradio.org)
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To: Prime Choice
Dammit, this chump knew what he signed up for........

Damn Right he did!

4 posted on 10/24/2004 12:05:51 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: F15Eagle
I just hope it doesn't go before some activist, sKerry supporting, bill BlowJ__ appointed Judge.
6 posted on 10/24/2004 12:13:23 PM PDT by OldSgt. (USMC, Nam Vet, HMM-165)
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To: Prime Choice; steplock; Fiddlstix

His point is that he did live up to his contract, served 8 years. Then in-keeping with the regs, submitted the paper-work to resign his commission AFTER having fullfilled his obligations.

I'm half-way in his corner. However, I think he's being screwed by the stop-loss, and needs to accept it. He's just like one of today's soldiers that is serving beyond their enlistment.


7 posted on 10/24/2004 12:15:51 PM PDT by where's_the_Outrage?
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I say let this coward out... let him retire with full knowledge someone else MIGHT die in his place in Iraq... of course he wont care....all he cares about is the check he got, the benefits and the money for college......
thats whats wrong with all the National Guards that keep crying about going...OH NO WAR, why it NEVER crossed my MIND I might have to actually FIGHT.....pissants


8 posted on 10/24/2004 12:17:39 PM PDT by ArmyBratCutie ("Four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:soap, ballot, jury, ammo in this order!")
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To: where's_the_Outrage?
My initial thought was this guy has a case as he submitted to resign his commission.

That's assuming he's representing the facts of his case accurately, which I have to question given that his suit is aimed at Donald Rumsfeld and that evidently someone chose to report this to the media and turn it into an antiwar publicity stunt. I also raise an eyebrow that the plaintiff's lawyer is Barry Slotnick, whose services do not normally come cheap:

Barry I. Slotnick

Mr. Slotnick's clients have included the producer of one of America's most famous and successful television series (including its many related multimedia activities) and one of the world's largest merchandisers of entertainment products, major record companies, music publishers, independent film, television and theatrical production companies, advertising agencies, entertainers, performing rights societies, and merchandisers. . .Mr. Slotnick is President of the Copyright Society of the U.S.A. and serves on the editorial board of the Journal of the Copyright Society of the U.S.A. He is also a member of the American Bar Association and serves on its Patent, Trademark and Copyright Committee; Entertainment and Sports Committee; and Litigation Committee. Mr. Slotnick is a lecturer on copyright and entertainment issues for the Practicing Law Institute and other industry groups.

9 posted on 10/24/2004 12:20:06 PM PDT by Fedora
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I say let him out...its not worth the aggrivation and disgust to keep messing with it....let him go...


10 posted on 10/24/2004 12:20:23 PM PDT by ArmyBratCutie ("Four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:soap, ballot, jury, ammo in this order!")
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I say let him resign. He served....good enough for me.
Besides, at this point...do we want this guy leading troops in Iraq ?


11 posted on 10/24/2004 12:22:27 PM PDT by stylin19a (It's called GOLF because all the other 4 letter words were taken)
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To: where's_the_Outrage?

Girly Man!


12 posted on 10/24/2004 12:24:54 PM PDT by shiva
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Reminds me of when I was learning to fly -- I was getting 90% of the costs paid by the GI bill. I worked with a guy who was really incensed. He had put in dozens of week-ends in Minneapolis, and about 2 months total of active training in Little Falls, Minnesota, and couldn't qualify for what I got after 3 years, 10 months, and twenty days more than a thousand miles away.


13 posted on 10/24/2004 12:26:38 PM PDT by Aeronaut (This is no ordinary time. And George W. Bush is no ordinary leader." --George Pataki)
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To: where's_the_Outrage?
What is fundamentally being questioned here it the authority of a stop loss. This is the "cause" or issue that needs to be settled. Can a "stop loss" which is an order issued under military authority - not Congress, still be applied to an individual who has completed their contract and has resigned his commission? Along with that, how long can such authority compel additional service beyond the initial contract. Could a person in a critical field be compelled to server 40 years?

If we proceed from the view point that it is an all volunteer force and that service is not compulsory, then this individual has meet their obligations and the stop loss has no authority and as such, this person is a civilian.

If we proceed from the view point that the individual who has met their contract can still be forced to serve, then why have a contract at all? Further, it no longer becomes a all volunteer force. Currently, a person who has already completed their 8 years that they signed up for, can not be forced to reenter the service against their will. It would require a change in the existing laws for such a service to be required.

I'm of the opinion that this fellow did his time (as I did), apparently did so honorably (as I did), and has EARNED the right to leave the service (as I did). If forces are needed, then call up the draft (which I'm in favor of but slightly modified from the Vietnam process). At that point, you could then compel service from the entire Militia.
14 posted on 10/24/2004 12:31:03 PM PDT by taxcontrol (People are entitled to their opinion - no matter how wrong it is.)
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To: Fedora

Mr. Slotnick recommended by the Hollywood crowd, no doubt. Probably being paid by them too.


15 posted on 10/24/2004 12:39:35 PM PDT by PROUDAMREP ( Bush-Cheney '04)
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Unlike enlisted personnel, officers are in for life subject to be recalled at anytime--whether they resign or not. Unless the military boots them for the good of the military, they stay on the rolls. This guy knew the job was dangerous when he took it.


16 posted on 10/24/2004 12:41:34 PM PDT by DaBroasta (Dear democrat voter your party leaders don't think you're stupid, they're counting on it!)
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Thats what I was thought but wasn't sure.


17 posted on 10/24/2004 12:52:06 PM PDT by KingNo155
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To: PROUDAMREP; christie; piasa; calcowgirl
It does look like Slotnick hangs around a Hollywood crowd:

The Adams Family

"Any words of wisdom on your 88th birthday, Mr. Adams?"

Joey Adams, a Borscht Belt beacon . . .

[SNIP]

The punch line was dispersed by the raucous arrival of Mr. Adams’ wife, New York Post gossip columnist Cindy Adams. "Hello, darling," she said as she effortlessly perched herself on Mr. Adams’ chair while real estate machers Lewis Rudin and Donald Trump looked on.

[SNIP]

Asked to define the crowd, which included public relations guru Howard Rubenstein, actress Lainie Kazan, comedian Alan King and artist LeRoy Neiman, former New York governor Mario Cuomo said, "I guess you would call it a power group." Then he added, "A lot of the people here were more powerful 10 years ago than they are today." He smiled. "So it’s a mature power group."

As Mrs. Adams led an impromptu tour of her new digs, she hurled herself, pinball-like, through the crowd. "Move it! Move! Move!" Mrs. Adams growled as she led a procession into her office, stopping only to say to someone near her, "You know Mrs. Slotnick," referring to Donna, wife of regular column item, attorney Barry Slotnick, who was somewhere else in the room.

CORE Online

Columnist Cindy Adams and attorney Barry Slotnick congratulate media expert Howard Rubenstein (1990)

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:bbd3Diim7PkJ:www.odwyerpr.com/members/jack_odwyers_nl/2001/0131.htm+howard+rubenstein+marc+rich&hl=en

RUBENSTEIN SPEAKS FOR DENISE RICH

Howard Rubenstein is spokesperson for Denise Rich, the big Democratic Party fund-raiser whose fugitive ex-husband Marc was pardoned by President Clinton, triggering a media firestorm. She's an "old friend and a lovely woman," Rubenstein told this NL.

Rubenstein said he is serving as spokesperson for her foundation during the current crisis. His son Steven is also involved in the media work.

Marc Rich fled to Switzerland in 1983 after being indicted by a federal grand jury on more than 50 counts of wire fraud, racketeering and trading with the enemy. He evaded more than $48 million in income taxes and could have been sentenced to more than 300 years in prison.

18 posted on 10/24/2004 12:56:32 PM PDT by Fedora
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"...do we want this guy leading troops in Iraq?"

He's an MP. Besides, his assignment can be tailored to his service profile.

19 posted on 10/24/2004 12:56:33 PM PDT by Bonaparte (twisting slowly, slowly in the wind...)
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To: Aeronaut

yep and its way worth it....reserves and enlisted deserve all the benefits they get and they in kind should do their jobs.. sheesh its really simple :))


20 posted on 10/24/2004 12:58:10 PM PDT by ArmyBratCutie ("Four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:soap, ballot, jury, ammo in this order!")
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