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Posted on 10/24/2004 10:05:53 AM PDT by Alouette
Justice Minister Yosef (Tommy) Lapid issued a warning to rabbis who express their opinion that uprooting Jews is a violation of Jewish law - they may face criminal charges.
Speaking at a gathering of the Israel Bar Association last night, Lapid said, "I send from here a warning: there is a limit to the patience of the [legal] system for people, be they rabbis or not, who are seditious, and place kippah-wearing [i.e., religious] soldiers in an emotional bind, and endanger the army."
While the minister noted that he doesn't wish to "belittle the pain or sorrow of those who object to the disengagement and the evacuation of settlements, he stated, "The faith of the rabbis in the Land of Israel does not give them the authority to call for insubordination and violence."
He further accused the growing list of rabbis who religiously oppose uprooting Jews from the Land of Israel of leading the country to civil war. The State of Israel, he said, may deteriorate to a situation like that of Spain during that country's civil war, "when millions of Spaniards killed each other."
Lapid said that if anything else (such as religion or Torah law) is put on a higher level than the "sanctity of the law" of the State, then a civil war becomes more likely.
Minister Lapid did not name any particular rabbis in his speech, saying that the decision to press charges rests with the Attorney General. However, the most prominent rabbi who specifically stated that Jewish Law mandates each soldier to refuse to uproot Jewish homes in Israel is former Chief Rabbi Avraham Shapira. Rabbi Shapira stated his position recently in an interview with the B'Sheva weekly.
In response to the speech by Minister Lapid, the Forum for the Land of Israel released a statement saying: "His statements are reminiscent of fascist anti-Semitic regimes that charged rabbis for teaching Torah and the commandments.... An order to expel citizens from their homes is a patently illegal order which it is forbidden to obey." The Forum has offered legal counsel for any rabbi or soldier charged for their opposition to Prime Minister Sharon's "disengagement" plan.
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Actually he is right and these idiot rabbis are wrong... But I knew that!
To think that these IDIOTS not only get a deferment from the army but put soldiers in harm's way make my blood nboil...
No deferment for the religious! All go to the army!
No bachurim Yeshivot... All must serve!
Does this religious Jew look like he is shirking his military duty?
Perhaps. But that doesn't make him any less right.
How would we react if the Mormon Church, to pose an unrealistic hypothetical, came out with a position that any Mormon ordered to serve in Iraq must refuse to do so?
To be fair, the article does not specifically state whether the rabbis called on the soldiers to refuse orders or to resist those orders violently. In the US, at least, the first would probably be considered a legitimate freedom of speech issue. The second would not be (although the ACLU would try to spin it that way).
Prayers for your son, Alouette.
(Very cute baby. Is that your grandchild?)
About two years ago there was a movement among the leftist soldiers refusing to serve "in the occupied territories." All the leftist Israeli media cheered them as conscientious "moral" heroes. No one stood up in the Knesset and demanded that these leftist "refusers" and their leaders should be court-martialed or imprisoned.
Now the shoe is on the other foot.
I thought that the right of refusing to carry out orders that are morally wrong was established during the Nuremburg trials.
Oh and please explain how it is morally wrong to evict the settlers. Your bias is breathtaking. Your logic bankrupt.
I spoke to my son last night and asked him what he would do if his unit was ordered to participate in the Gaza expulsion. He told me that his officers have requested (through proper military channels) that his unit be assigned to another duty post and therefore avoid being placed in this situation.
Please explain how it is morally right.
Lets see, evicting settlers = the crimes at Nuremberg, therefore anyone who carries out the evictions is equal to a war criminal guilty of murder and genocide. Great analogy Al, how convincing! Very smart.
You didn't explain how expelling people from communities where they have lived for 30 years so that Gaza can be "Jew-free" is morally right. All you did was insult me.
All I did was point out the wisdom of your comments.
I tell you what, when you learn to not answer a question with a question (and then have the temerity to admonish another for not answering a question) I'll answer you. OK Al?
To our sorrow.
Ethnic cleansing is a war crime.
How do the claims by the Palestinians, against the Isreali government and the fanatical Jews in the settlements, support your argument?
Too many smart people there. They need to get dumbed down with TV and Nintendo so that they are as docile as we are.
That should be obvious. The "palestinians" have no legtitimate claims. They fought three wars and lost them all. Losers don't make "claims".
As for the "fanatical" Jews? They're Israeli citizens. They are citizens of the prevaling party in the wars. Nothing "fanatical" about their claims.
What's to support? The obvious?
Great pic, A. Be proud. Stay strong, ever faithful.
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