Secret Weapon for Bush? (Bush probably had a higher I.Q. than Kerry per military records)

NY Times ^ | 10/24/04 | JOHN TIERNEY

[Txsleuth]

This is just one more example of how wrong people are about Bush. Of course, he never tries to correct record on anything.

When all of the celebs like M. Moore and Garafalo talk about how "dumb" Bush is maybe they should be presented with his SAT scores and IQ. Beats Kerry on both!

[Leisler]

Kerry has never released his Yale records. Just like he won't sign his Department of Defense 180. He was a Political Science major. How hard would that be? After Vietnam he lost his first political race to radical Marxist Catholic Priest Father Drinan. Afterwords he went to Boston Collage Law School, with even it's low standards he shouldn't have gotten in. Of course the fact that anti America, anti Vietnam War Father Drinan was the Dean of Boston Collage hand nothing to do with throwing a bone to loser Kerry. Nope, nothing to see folks, move along.

[Fiddlstix]

So, what is wrong with a Mensa thread?

They tend to be boring.

(One other thing. There are some FReepers who are "former mensans. Got fed up and quit.)

[Death and Taxes]

LOL. Just go over to DU and start talking "Bell Curve" and you'll have loads of fun. And be banned for life (which is a good thing...).

[jennyjenny]

Wow! I have a higher IQ than the President of the United States! MUCH higher :)

Well, me too. All that means is that we are smart enough to know better than to try to take on such a job. :)

[The_Reader_David]

What a small world! My wife was in contact with Linda Gottfriedson's husband, another U. MD psychology prof last year: he was one of two potential mentors she could have applied with for a prestegious postdoc. (She went with the other.)

Actually IQ estimates based on similar tests are quite feasible and reliable. It's pop-psychologists who try to estimate IQ's based on nothing other than a report of the person or his or her writing that are absurd.

This is simply because IQ is not a real "thing" but simply what an IQ test measures. It only reflects the conception of intelligence on which the IQ test constructor based the test--usually 'intelligence' as applicable to academic pursuits, not street smarts, business sense, the intellectual and cognitive part of survivals skills for living in the wild, etc., and only to the extent the test is well-designed.

Likewise because IQ is defined as a score on a test, it is absurd for anyone to claim someone has an IQ above 160: no reliable test can actually make meaningful distinctions in terms of performance on the standard tests with define IQ beyond 4 standard deviations above the mean.

[jennyjenny]

So, what is wrong with a Mensa thread?

Have you ever been to a Mensa meeting? My guess is if you go to one, you may never go back again. :)

[aft_lizard]

You're the third person I have heard claim or "complain" that they were the only person kicked out of MENSA.

Now I on the otherhand decided not to join the club because of this guy named Lerch from Oklahoma, good guy but quite crazy, he said his whole group was like him, plus he said I couldnt join if I didnt believe that you can obtain higher brain function through marijuana.

[Txsleuth]

EEEK - I've always thought FReepers were smart but I didn't know how out of your league I am. Dang, is there a dumb FReepers site. All of this mensa talk scares me.

[DuncanWaring]

And Janeane Garbuffalo's at 950.

[jennyjenny]

He was a Political Science major. How hard would that be?

Hey....be careful there! : )

[Entrepreneur]

"John Kerry's 40 years of public service puts him in the top percentile on that measure."

This is outrageous the guy did nothing but harm if will subtract his 3 years at DA office.

I don't know. I think Kerry has the type of lazy, inept legislative record I wish others in congress would emulate.

Think how much better off we would all be if every member of congress didn't do much of anything beyond sponsoring legislation every fourth year declaring the week of October 14 to be National Acorn Week or sponsoring a resolution honoring their local postman?

Let's not let our disdain for the lazy, cowardly, traitorous, effete, pseudo-intellectual, two-faced, disingenuous, French, gold digging, socialist, f’ing dork blind us to what might be his single good point, which is his total ineffectiveness. We need more ineffective congressmen (especially if they're socialists).

Remember, the opposite of pro is con and the opposite of progress is congress.

[MKM1960]

Janeane Garofalo, Al Franken and Howard Stern are also below the President's. Perhaps we can taunt them on their Air America Shows.

[Arizona Carolyn]

Funny thing is the Dems all think they are sooooo smart and yet they bought into the fable going around the internet that Bush had a 91 IQ. When I debunked it to one she got very testy and "didn't want to discuss it."

[Arizona Carolyn]

It was Meehan -- consider to source. IQ of 50.

[Plutarch]

This drivel, written by an Yale pre-law Naval Officer who doesn’t know that the Navy’s judicial proceeding is a Court Martial, is hardly the writing of a a great intellect. We wouldn’t expect the author to subsequently enter an Ivy League law school (even after gaining national notoriety for betraying America), but count himself lucky to eventually gain acceptance to Boston College Law School. And we've never heard about Kerry's rank in his law school class, have we?

You call down to one of your men and ask him to draft a message to the Admiral in Command of all Naval Forces in Vietnam and also to the Commander of Market Time. IT says "Merry Christmas from the most inland Market Time unit." You hope that they'll court marshal you or something because that would make sense. But the night soothes everything and the people and things that are close to you dart through the mind and bring the only warmth and peace that there is. Visions of sugar plums really do dance through your head and you think of stockings and snow and roast chestnuts and fires with birch logs and all that is good and warm and real. It's Christmas Eve.

John Kerry's Vietnam War journal

[Cableguy]

Tierney is a fair and balanced guy (one of few) at NY Times.

[Arizona Carolyn]

~LOL~

[Safrguns]

Hell... this isn't important!
What's important is that Kerry SOUNDS more intelligent.
A candidate's ability to lie and then deny it with a bold face is even more important! Flip-Flopping and phony photo-ops is what we really expect to see from our leaders. Besides... all politians lie, and everyone knows it... so if you can't do it well, then you must not be that intelligent anyway.

[isthisnickcool]

Hey! If you add "ss" to the end of mensa it spells....

Ah ha!