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MICHIGAN: Same-sex marriage amendment 65% favor/27%opposed: Bush/Kerry 46% v 43%
DetroitNews | October 22, 2004 | Charlie Cain, and Mark Hornbeck

Posted on 10/23/2004 8:19:48 AM PDT by rface

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To: SunkenCiv

I already have my mind made up on Proposal 2. Proposal 1, I'm having a hard time understanding. Not with the wording, etc., but when we have a democrat governor saying vote NO, I would normally vote the opposite. Granholm says our taxes will go up. Which taxes? Property, sales, gas, cigarettes? It's not clear. I'm not a gambler, but there is a small town next to me that wants to put in a casino.


21 posted on 10/24/2004 11:39:13 AM PDT by IamHD
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To: little jeremiah; Lindykim; buffyt
Which one is more destructive to lives and society? Easy divorce is undoubtedly a huge component in societal breakdown. I would never minimize the evil it does. But occasionally there IS a completely valid reason for divorce. There is never been, nor will there ever be, a valid reason for either practicing same sex sodomy or promoting it.

Additionally, Jack divorcing Diane doesn't change the definition of marriage, Steve marrying Bruce does.

22 posted on 10/24/2004 11:44:05 AM PDT by ItsOurTimeNow (Amos 6:1-7)
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To: IamHD

Granholm is lying. No surprise there. I just heard her ad broadcast on the Fox affiliate during the Lions-Giants game. "I inherited a $2 billion deficit." Yeah, thanks for pointing out that we need to return Republican control of both houses, the state Supreme Court, and the governor's mansion, as well as increasing Republican majorities in both houses of Congress, and reelecting the President.

Proposal 1 sez that local control over the construction of casinos rests locally, not in Lansing. Granholm wants centralized control.

Note that the Indian casinos aren't restricted by this, so the Indian casinos want this measure passed, because competition won't help them at all.

The educational funding issue Granholm raises REALLY doesn't make sense. She claims that local control will somehow mean fewer people playing the lottery, which pumps a whopping $100+ million dollars into the public educational system, or rather what passes for one.

The remedy is -- pass Proposal 1, and in 2006, dump Granholm, preferably in the primary. She is very vulnerable, and there will be at least one viable Dim opponent (I mean, other than the corrupt, repudiated Jim Blanchard).

Maybe Fieger would run again. Great trick, running Fieger against Engler. It's not as if primary voters crossed party lines to make sure he won the primary or anything. ;')


23 posted on 10/24/2004 11:51:52 AM PDT by SunkenCiv ("All I have seen teaches me trust the Creator for all I have not seen." -- Emerson)
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To: SunkenCiv
"The remedy is -- pass Proposal 1, and in 2006, dump Granholm, preferably in the primary."

Thanks! That's how I was leaning and you helped me make up my mind. Absolutely Granholm has to go. And, don't even get me going on the "Governor's mansion!"

My daughter and her fiance went to the island when Granholm was running for governor, and while on the boat ride to the island, a woman asked my daughter if she was going to vote for her. My daughter told her no, and the woman got up and left. :) I'm a woman, and I would never vote from someone just because a woman was running for an office, and I believe that is what helped her become governor...I hope that Nugent runs in 2006....

I have a copy of the ballot that I printed out from the SOS website, and I'm looking it over trying to decide which Judges to vote for. Those are tough unless you know a little bit about them.

24 posted on 10/24/2004 12:22:47 PM PDT by IamHD
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To: buffyt
Read these articles and then tell us about the "Two consenting adults" theroy.

Targeting Children, Part 1: How the gay movement intends to capture the next generation

Targeting Children, Part 2: How the homosexual movement uses public schools as instruments of change

Targeting Children, Part 3: Activists encouraging experimentation

Targeting Children, Part 4: Access to children: homosexuality and molestation

25 posted on 10/24/2004 2:05:03 PM PDT by DirtyHarryY2K (G W B 2004! Friends Don't Let Friends Vote For DemocRATS)
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To: buffyt
This part[from the last link] is something you will never see in the MSM, (Keep in mind that 2/3 of the editors at the NY Times are homosexual)

Homosexual access to children Such evidence has chilling public policy implications. The momentous changes in Americans’ attitudes towards sexual orientation is giving homosexuals unprecedented access to the nation’s children.

Parents, for example, were mortified when New York City’s WNBC-TV uncovered the existence of pedophiles within the public school system. According to an article by John Leo in U.S. News & World Report, the City Board of Education had known about at least one pedophile – teacher Peter Melzer – since 1984, but did nothing about it.

Melzer, as it turned out, is on the NAMBLA steering committee and the editorial board of the organization’s periodical, the NAMBLA Bulletin. In the past, the Bulletin has recommended the best tactics to its pedophile readers for seducing children into sexual encounters.

Leo said, "Child molesters don’t just hang around playgrounds. They apply for jobs at schools, camps, the Boy Scouts, Big Brothers, YMCAs. ‘Boy lovers’ love to work where the boys are."

When pedophiles strike, the results are often disastrous. A recent review (Holmes and Slap, 1998) of the research on the molestation of boys, published in the prestigious Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA), showed that adolescent boys who were abused by men were up to 7 times more likely to identify themselves as homosexual or bisexual.

Furthermore, research also provides a strong link between the sexual abuse of a child and that child’s later pedophilia as an adult. At the Connecticut Correctional Institution, for example, clinical psychologist A. Nicholas Groth, director of the sex offender program, said 85% of the pedophiles were themselves sexually assaulted as youths.

This casts certain parts of the homosexual agenda in a more sinister light – such as the drive to lower the legal age of sexual consent and to expunge sodomy laws from the books. It might also cause parents to wonder why homosexual activists are tireless in their efforts to use the courts as a crowbar to pry open the doors of the Boy Scouts to homosexual troop leaders.

Again, it would be unfair to imply that all – or even most – homosexuals are a threat to children. Nevertheless, there are some elements of the homosexual movement which openly endorse pedophilia. And opening the social "doors" to all homosexual groups will allow pedophile groups in as well.

What will research show in ten years? twenty years? Will we discover that we have handed over an entire generation of young people, only to discover that the percentages of homosexuals in this nation has doubled or tripled?

If it is true, as evidence suggests, that children can be recruited into the homosexual lifestyle, what will history say about a generation of adults that swallowed – hook, line and sinker – the lies fabricated by the very ones who abused their children?

26 posted on 10/24/2004 2:20:33 PM PDT by DirtyHarryY2K (G W B 2004! Friends Don't Let Friends Vote For DemocRATS)
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To: DirtyHarryY2K

DirtyHarry, you are a gem. Thanks for putting the truth out here for all the world to see. I just wish those who want to have an opinion about "gay" rights would read this whole thread including links.


27 posted on 10/24/2004 5:03:41 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Help elect a REAL, COURAGEOUS conservative to Congress - www.mikegabbard.com)
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To: little jeremiah
Thank you as well lj, The general populace gets their information from the television. Will & Grace, Queer eye, ETC They have been "Dumbed down" and "desensitized" to the point of ignorance IMO.

All anyone with common sense need do is ask themselves the question ... "Why are they after the children" youth groups etc.?!?

Like you said .. for the same reason that Hitler formed the "Nazi youth"

28 posted on 10/24/2004 9:14:12 PM PDT by DirtyHarryY2K (G W B 2004! Friends Don't Let Friends Vote For DemocRATS)
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To: DirtyHarryY2K

Generally leftists and I have zero in common. Needless to say. But I've seen a bumper sticker that I've always liked:

"Kill Your TV".

Haven't had one in years.


29 posted on 10/24/2004 9:36:06 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Help elect a REAL, COURAGEOUS conservative to Congress - www.mikegabbard.com)
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