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John O'neil on MSNC
Cruselits ^ | October 22, 2004 | Crushelits

Posted on 10/22/2004 7:10:47 PM PDT by crushelits

Watch John O'neil on MSNC


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: johnoneil; lawrenceodonnell; msnbc; msnc; oneill
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To: JustaCowgirl

It is for real. Just on Scarborough Country.


221 posted on 10/22/2004 8:03:24 PM PDT by nonkultur
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To: Howlin

"And that's a lie; he responded when ASKED in an interview that he and Lynne have a gay daughter; that's it."

I heard a great quote from Tom Coburn, the OK Republican Senate candidate, today. He said his daddy taught him that a half truth was a whole lie. And it is.

A half truth is usually worse and more damaging than a complete fabrication.


222 posted on 10/22/2004 8:03:25 PM PDT by JustaCowgirl (Terrorists will "global test" us right off the planet)
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To: NYC Republican

The Swift Vets make all their contributions public.


223 posted on 10/22/2004 8:04:12 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (Save a Democrat! Vote Republican!)
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To: MinuteGal
Dornan did seem to bring up esoteric points that were not germane to the discussion tonight. He could have come out swinging instead of bringing up Clinton and Khobar Towers or Kerry 30 years ago.

-PJ

224 posted on 10/22/2004 8:04:15 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (It's still not safe to vote Democrat.)
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To: All

What time does this replay on the west coast?


225 posted on 10/22/2004 8:04:23 PM PDT by slimer (I hope life isn't a big joke, because I don't get it.)
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To: nonkultur

Now that was weird, wasn't it???


226 posted on 10/22/2004 8:05:18 PM PDT by Howlin (Bush has claimed two things which Democrats believe they own by right: the presidency & the future)
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To: DSBull
Christ is my physician...

Indeed He is.

228 posted on 10/22/2004 8:05:46 PM PDT by Brad’s Gramma
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To: jamaly

I am sitting here trying to form a coherent letter to viewer services. He truly jumped the shark tonight.


229 posted on 10/22/2004 8:05:55 PM PDT by MKM1960
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To: Political Junkie Too
Dornan did seem to bring up esoteric points that were not germane to the discussion tonight. He could have come out swinging instead of bringing up Clinton and Khobar Towers or Kerry 30 years ago.

I agree, he was useless tonite. He meant well, but he could have answered the questions directly. Clinton is a polarizing figure on both sides, and he makes Kerry look much less human in comparison. Overall, it's a net negative for Kerry, except for the fact that the MSM will be drooling over Clinton all week long. Luckily, the World Series will be on.

230 posted on 10/22/2004 8:06:50 PM PDT by rocklobster11
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To: tbone56
Is O'donnel drunk? I think he's lost his job tonight. The guy's a nutcase!

I don't think he is drunk. He is following the playbook of the DNC and MSNBC. Several times lately Ronarina Ballerina has behaved this way on MSNBC and Chris Matthews has been this bad before, too. They are all in panic mode and desperate to save John Fraud Kerry. But, anyone with a brain can see right through their pathetic attempts at deceit.

231 posted on 10/22/2004 8:07:11 PM PDT by jamaly
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To: crushelits
The National Interest
Open-Mike Nightmare

September 18, 2000


In a presidential contest so close there's no room for mistakes, Dubya made a "major league" error. It gave Gore the lead -- and may send George back to the Bush leagues.
By Lawrence O'donnell, Jr.

"There's Adam Clymer, major-league asshole from the New York Times."

"Oh, yeah. He is. Big-time."

And so, on Labor Day 2000, in Naperville, Illinois, George W. Bush's quest for the White House came to an end. It wasn't much as presidential-campaign turning points go: a two-line exchange between running mates that had nothing to do with the governance of the United States, a two-line exchange that no one ever would have heard were it not for the most dangerous tool in politics -- the open mike. But on the most important day of the campaign, that two-line exchange was all Al Gore and Joe Lieberman needed to solidify their post-convention surge in the polls and lock up the election. It's over.

In modern presidential campaigns, the candidate in the lead on Labor Day always wins, and Bush and Gore woke that morning tied in most polls. In a race so close, there's no room for mistakes -- but the very first thing Bush did that day was make a big one. It didn't seem like a big deal at first, and I didn't think much of it when I got an urgent cell-phone call telling me what Bush had got caught saying. Was anyone actually naïve enough to think that politicians don't talk about reporters in such terms every day, that Bill Clinton hasn't made such comments about at least a few Times staffers? When I worked in the Senate and Adam Clymer was the Times' congressional correspondent, I heard many Republicans, as well as some Democrats, say that sort of thing about him all the time. Bush's comment was actually one of the cleanest versions I've heard.

Most pundits were quick to point out that criticizing a reporter wasn't likely to get Bush into too much trouble with a public that doesn't hold the media in very high regard. But the specifics of what he said don't matter at all. He didn't say anything racist, sexist, or homophobic. He didn't get caught saying something provably wrong about something important. He got caught using a word most voters use on a regular basis about someone most voters surely could have guessed he didn't like.

The Clymer incident was the final turning point of the campaign because the message the public took from the two-day cycle of the story -- not so much in newspapers, which mostly buried it, but from the constant rolling and rerolling of the videotape -- was that Bush blundered. And he blundered, to borrow a phrase, big-time. Big-time enough to lead the network newscasts. And blundering was the one thing Bush could not afford to be caught doing.

By the end of the week, Republican insiders were airing their complaints about Bush's campaign in the Times -- standard operating procedure not when party operatives think your campaign is in trouble but when they think it's dead.

There was already a suspicion that Bush is a blunderer. He'd already had more than his share of malapropisms and awkward moments, beginning, way back before the New Hampshire primary, when he failed a videotaped quiz on the names of foreign heads of state. Never mind that most of the candidates in the field then would have failed it, that most of us in the media would have failed it. In a very close campaign, nothing matters more than luck, and the distribution of luck is never fair. Late in a close campaign, when that very small, very skittish group of short-attention-span types called undecided voters is finally focusing on the election, it can make them wonder if a candidate knows what he's doing. Bob Abrams would probably be a United States Senator today if he hadn't muttered the word fascist when he had run out of other adjectives to describe Al D'Amato in the final stretch of the 1992 New York Senate campaign.

In the aftermath of the open-mike gaffe, the notion that Bush is in over his head could suddenly make perfect sense to those undecided voters. And now that they were paying attention, Bush was desperately attempting to set up single-network talk-show alternatives to full-blown multi-network debates. He couldn't have looked more afraid of debating Gore, and his operatives were surprised to discover that Gore's repeated pledge to debate "anywhere, anytime" couldn't be dragged back to haunt Gore when they came up with their too-cute strategy of trying to turn their debate avoidance into proof that Gore can't be trusted. The Bush debate proposal was so obviously designed to get Gore to break his word that Gore paid no price with editorial writers or voters by immediately turning down the plan.

Then, just as Bush was losing the debate about the debates, he rushed out a proposal for a prescription-drug benefit for Medicare that he should have, and could have, introduced months ago -- essentially the same proposal that Democratic senator John Breaux cobbled together with Republican Bill Frist and bipartisan support two years ago. Waiting until the week of Labor Day left him looking like he was merely offering a counterproposal to Gore's popular, and more generous, plan. Then, when Gore handed out an impressive-looking book detailing his budget plan, Bush offered only unconvincing assurances that his big tax cut was going to be just great for everyone, not only the rich.

By the end of the week, when Republican insiders knew how much the open-mike mistake had done to cement Bush's image as a blunderer, they started airing their complaints about his campaign in the New York Times, not exactly their favorite newspaper. This is standard operating procedure not when party operatives think your campaign is in trouble but when they think it's dead. (When they think you're in trouble, they offer you advice privately; when they think you're dead, they go public with all the great advice you ignored privately.) All their complaints referred to choices made before the Clymer incident -- from putting Cheney on the ticket to buying TV ads attacking Gore -- but they were only dug up by reporters after it happened. The insiders know there's nothing for them to save but their reputations.

There was a lot of guessing about what this election was going to be about: impeachment, Clinton fatigue, campaign-finance reform, the economy. Now it's about Bush's competence: Is he up to the job? With such a thin résumé in government -- one and a half terms as governor of Texas -- Bush can convince voters of his competence only by demonstrating a flawless policy fluency in the debates. Which won't happen, even if the debates do. Instead, Gore will keep droning on about his policy positions, knowing that he sounds as boring as ever, but also as competent. Bush will keep talking about restoring honor and integrity to the White House, which has nothing to do with what this election is now about. When he does talk policy, he'll be on the defensive, responding to Gore instead of taking the lead on issues. The more Bush has to talk about policy, the more incompetent he'll sound. So as the campaign heads into the fall -- and passes the point at which no recent front-runner has faced an upset -- Bush must choose between talking about honor and sounding irrelevant or talking about policy and sounding incompetent. In other words, it's over.

232 posted on 10/22/2004 8:07:14 PM PDT by crushelits
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To: unspun
Wait a minute. Charles Colson is deliberately not telling the American people about the fact that Kerry did NOT receive an honorable discharge because he has the facts. He won't even talk to the press. He has an obligation to reveal whether kerrie is fit for command. I have given to his ministry for many years, but I'm going to send an email to him telling him I will stop sending donations to him if you decides to keep his mouth shout, giving aid and comfort to kerrie regime and may be responsible for a kerrie presidency. (BARF, BARF, BAAAAAARF)
233 posted on 10/22/2004 8:07:40 PM PDT by Iam1ru1-2
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To: Thumbellina
I just shot off an email to Scarborough.That psycho O`Donnall should be fired.You tune in to hear points of view not that screaming meemie shouting 80 times O`Neill is a liar!
He reminded me of a ten year old!!!
234 posted on 10/22/2004 8:08:23 PM PDT by ricoshea (Reiily)
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To: rocklobster11

That's the correct outcome, but in realty this Larry Wacko will probably be rewarded his own show,

Chrissy Matthews screamed down Michelle Malkin, and nothing happened to him.

I only turned on the show because of O'Donnell's coniption fit last week against people of Faith (and I can't stand that legal blond on FOX)(and no baseball). Nothing happened to him then and I would be surprised if anything happened to him after tonight.


235 posted on 10/22/2004 8:10:56 PM PDT by wrathof59 (semper ubi sub ubi)
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To: ricoshea
Michelle Malkin has already blogged about it
236 posted on 10/22/2004 8:11:01 PM PDT by rocklobster11
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To: unspun
Thank God and Charles Colson for John O'Neil!

That is an interesting comment. What does Charles Colson have to do with John O'Neill?

237 posted on 10/22/2004 8:11:13 PM PDT by jamaly
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To: B58Hustler

I do believe that Lawrence O'Donnell is not mentally soulnd. Isn't there some law about exhibiting those with mental problems? I vaguely recall this was brought out some time ago regarding a carnival freak show. If he has a breakdwon on the show, MSNBC and those on the show might end up facing some huge lawsuit.


238 posted on 10/22/2004 8:11:41 PM PDT by Dante3
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To: NYC Republican
Can anyone tell me if contributions to the SwiftVets are treated like other campaign contributions? That is, will my name and company appear on several records, or can it be done discreetly? My employer allows NO political contributions, without their explicit approval. Thanks

Legally, a 527 is only required to report (IIRC) those that donate $1000 or more total in a calendar year. But if you really don't want your name to be found out, the only 100% safe routes are to either not give at all or give the money to someone else and have them make the donation. (And that might be technically illegal; I don't really know on that one.)

239 posted on 10/22/2004 8:12:05 PM PDT by Dont Mention the War (How important a Senator can you be if Dick Cheney's never told you to "go [bleep] yourself"?)
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To: YaYa123
The joke is, MSNBC identifies Lawrence O'Donnell as, get this, a "political analyst". As if viewers will think he's an honest broker of information.

Toooo funny! Larry had a tsumami hissy fit on Kerry's behalf, but--ehem--he's simply identified as MSNBC political ANALYST. Yoohoo PMSNBC-- us stupid ones out here are really swallowing this!

240 posted on 10/22/2004 8:13:10 PM PDT by spitlana
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