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How Do We Get Out?
The American Conservative ^ | Oct 25, 2004 | pat buchanan

Posted on 10/22/2004 3:08:37 PM PDT by CWOJackson

“Today, we lack metrics to know if we are winning or losing,” wrote Rumsfeld a year ago. “Is our current situation such that ‘the harder we work, the behinder we get’?” We now have metrics to work with. A year ago, Gen. John Abizaid estimated there were 5,000 enemy fighters. After capturing and killing thousands, officials now estimate there are 20,000 enemy. A year ago, there were two dozen attacks every day on coalition forces. According to Kroll Security International, the number is now 70 a day. A year ago, U.S. troops had the run of the country and the press could travel almost anywhere. Now there are “no-go” zones in the Sunni Triangle, and Sadr City is a scene of daily carnage. Outside the Kurdish north, few provinces are free of daily attacks.

With kidnappings and beheadings of humanitarian workers and foreign labor, many have fled the country. The press is now largely confined to the Green Zone, which has itself been subject to mortar and car-bomb attacks. American dead and wounded in July and August were higher than in the invasion months of March and April 2003.

Eighteen months after we occupied Germany, the nation was de-Nazified and pacified. Eighteen months after we occupied Iraq, Islamic fundamentalism is on the rise and, as Colin Powell now concedes, “We are fighting an intense insurgency [and] .... it’s getting worse.”

From 1963 to 1973, when we left Vietnam, Saigon was a safe city except during the three-week Tet Offensive of 1968. But Iraq’s capital is becoming almost uninhabitable for Westerners.

Spain, Honduras, the Dominican Republic, the Philippines, and New Zealand have all pulled out. Ukraine and Poland are debating troop withdrawals. Seventy percent of Brits tells pollsters they want Tony Blair to remove British forces, the second largest foreign contingent.

Support for Bush’s decision to invade was overwhelming a year ago. Today, a majority of Americans believe the cost of ridding Iraq of Saddam was too high. Kerry now says Bush made a mistake going in and, if he wins, we will be out in four years. But, Senator, how do you ask a man to be the last man to die for a mistake?

Robert Novak cites Bush insiders as saying we may have to move to a rapid exit in 2005. Even Rumsfeld is saying we need not pacify Iraq before drawing down U.S. forces. But why then are we building those permanent bases?

On the credit side, scores of thousands of Iraqi police and soldiers have been trained. While some joined the rebels or refused to fight in Fallujah in April, in Najaf many fought to administer a bloody defeat on Sheik Moqtada al-Sadr’s forces, though al-Sadr was allowed to evade capture or killing in a deal negotiated under the auspices of the Ayatollah al-Sistani.

At the root of the insurgency—the goal of every enemy fighter—is a determination to drive America out. Our presence, our use of tanks, Bradleys, gunships and fighter-bombers, causing inevitable civilian casualties, is recruiting more enemy than we are killing.

That the number of enemy and incidence of attacks have multiplied fourfold in a year forces us to one conclusion: we are losing this war. For the guerrilla wins if he does not lose, and the Iraqi insurgents are not losing.

How do we win this war? How do we end it? How do we get out without leaving an Iraq that is a far graver terror threat than any Saddam Hussein ever presented?

The Bush strategy appears to be this. Build up Iraqi forces to lead the assault on enemy sanctuaries in the Sunni Triangle, backed by U.S. forces and firepower. Attack and occupy these cities before January. Hold elections that will, by linking slates of candidates, produce an assembly that will maintain the Allawi government in power. Have the United States then give a date for withdrawal of American forces and begin the pullout of troops—to separate the insurgency from Islamists and foreign fighters whose end goal is an Islamist regime. Continue to build up and train the Iraqi army to where it is so large, powerful, and well equipped it can crush any rebellion. Cede maximum autonomy to Kurds and Shi’ites. And head down the road to Kuwait.

But as the success or failure of the Bush presidency hangs on the outcome in Iraq, it is hard to believe Bush will not leave behind sufficient forces to prevent the loss of Iraq before brother Jeb runs in the primaries of 2008. Iraq is thus likely not only to be the issue in this election but the next as well.


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1 posted on 10/22/2004 3:08:37 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: CWOJackson

How do we get Pat out?


2 posted on 10/22/2004 3:09:06 PM PDT by inkling
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To: inkling

we finish the job...... then we leave... is how we get out


3 posted on 10/22/2004 3:09:43 PM PDT by Gibtx (Pajamahadien call to arms.....)
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To: CWOJackson
But as the success or failure of the Bush presidency hangs on the outcome in Iraq, it is hard to believe Bush will not leave behind sufficient forces to prevent the loss of Iraq before brother Jeb runs in the primaries of 2008. Iraq is thus likely not only to be the issue in this election but the next as well.

IIRC, Jeb said he was not running.\

Pat...


4 posted on 10/22/2004 3:11:17 PM PDT by Poohbah (SKYBIRD SKYBIRD DO NOT ANSWER...SKYBIRD SKYBIRD DO NOT ANSWER)
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To: inkling
How do we get Pat out?

Let him run for office in an Arab country. After all, he hates Israel.

5 posted on 10/22/2004 3:12:03 PM PDT by peyton randolph (tag...you're it.)
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To: CWOJackson

Pat Buchanan is a meth addicted, pro-communist, anti-American shill. Oh, and he can go to hell, too.


6 posted on 10/22/2004 3:12:08 PM PDT by MisterRepublican
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To: CWOJackson

Evidently, the strategy (strategery?) of attracting as many terrorist scum to fight our armed, armored and highly trained military forces 7,000 miles away from our schools and city streets is working. Every day we kill more of them, thereby reducing the number available to do a Beslan, Part II somewhere in the US.

Patty Patty Buch Buch has gone funny in the head since the Soviet Union fell. He seems not to be able to properly identify our enemies, instead seeing bogeymen everywhere.


7 posted on 10/22/2004 3:13:37 PM PDT by Ancesthntr
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To: inkling
"How do we get Pat out?"

Simply remind people of the truth of buchanan and the rest will take care of itself. People won't buy his books (done) and the so-called "American Conservative" will finish tanking.

8 posted on 10/22/2004 3:13:41 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: CWOJackson

http://www.kvnews.com/articles/2004/10/19/manweller%20column/manweller%20column.txt

interesting essay


9 posted on 10/22/2004 3:14:07 PM PDT by Burlem
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To: CWOJackson
It's the source,boss. Have you noticed that very few people want this guy on their side? At least he can produce a logical arguement. Thats getting to be a rare commodity these days.
10 posted on 10/22/2004 3:15:34 PM PDT by crazyhorse691 (I volunteer to instruct JFK on the meaning of a purple heart!!)
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To: Burlem

Fantasic read. Mathew Manweller obviously understands the issues far better then that failed hack buchanan ever did.


11 posted on 10/22/2004 3:16:32 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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Admin - enough of the "American Conservative" It is smelling up my computer. Please remove this crap.


12 posted on 10/22/2004 3:20:15 PM PDT by BienHoa69-70 RVN
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To: CWOJackson

What a noodle.


13 posted on 10/22/2004 3:25:51 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Don't underestimate the power of a muffin and a prayer card.)
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To: yall; CWOJackson
Pat asks:

How do we win this war?

You were mis-informed, Pat.. We never intended to 'win' anything more in Iraq than a middle eastern base of operations.
It would be nice to win Iraqi hearts & minds, but its not our principle mission.

How do we end it?

We don't intend to 'end it'. -- We have our bases, and we will continue to fight terrorism from them for the foreseeable future.

  How do we get out without leaving an Iraq that is a far graver terror threat than any Saddam Hussein ever presented?

We won't get out till the 'war on terrorism' is resolved, much like the 'cold war' was resolved.
Bet on it.

14 posted on 10/22/2004 3:30:59 PM PDT by tpaine (No man has a natural right to commit aggression on the equal rights of another. - T. Jefferson)
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To: tpaine

I just marked this day on my calendar.


15 posted on 10/22/2004 3:39:02 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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CWOJackson wrote:

I just marked this day on my calendar.

Indeed you should. -- It isn't often you Buchanan bashers get a clue.

17 posted on 10/22/2004 4:10:52 PM PDT by tpaine (No man has a natural right to commit aggression on the equal rights of another. - T. Jefferson)
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To: tpaine

No need to bash buchanan. All you need to do his post his words and deeds and he takes care of himself quite well.


18 posted on 10/22/2004 4:11:58 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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CWOJackson wrote:

No need to bash buchanan.

Yet you boyo's do so, day in, day out, for some of the weirdest reasons.

All you need to do his post his words and deeds and he takes care of himself quite well.

Simple strokes for simple folks. -- Pat is easily 'misguided', [or so he claims] by his political opponents.
--- He spins his hype just like any other politician. I class him right up there with Keyes. Both occasionally come up with a good observation, but you have to be able to separate it from all the bull.

20 posted on 10/22/2004 4:24:27 PM PDT by tpaine (No man has a natural right to commit aggression on the equal rights of another. - T. Jefferson)
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