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To: LiberalSlayer99

Typical libertarian idiocy.

Since the dawn of human history government has been part of marriage either as clan, tribe, tradition, or as the state because it is of the utmost importance to the health and moral tone of civil society. Since people no longer live lives in which anti-social behavior is held in check by fear of ostracism or disgrace from clan, tribe, tradition, or "what the neighbors will say" (the only circumstances under which a libertarian society could ever work) they look to government to enforce the societal consensus. This is because it has always been a matter of extreme public interest to see to it that women and children are looked after.

As we see from Europe, a society in which sodomy has won is a pagan, hedonistic, barbaric one in which marriage collapses completely and the birthrate drops below the replacement rate. You cannot have civilization in the absence of a state committed to enforcing codes of civilized behavior. That means Judeo-Christian morality because, frankly, the alternatives just don't work.


15 posted on 10/21/2004 2:01:09 PM PDT by Sam the Sham
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To: Sam the Sham

Yeah, what you said.

(Your words - much more eloquent than my disjointed babble)


17 posted on 10/21/2004 2:06:32 PM PDT by ItsOurTimeNow (Amos 6:1-7)
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To: Sam the Sham
That is a legitimate argument. Marriage as an institution protecting the family is a noble cause. But I disagree that the government is necessary to enforce those mores. The real problem with the current liberal government is that personal responsibility takes a backseat to government responsibilty. In other words, you can do what you want, but take no responsibility for your actions because the government will protect you.

As a Libertarian, I'm for holding people responsible for their actions. Though I personally could care less what takes place in the bedroom with any 2 consenting adults, I don't agree with openly gay behavior. Why? Essentially they broadcast who they have sex with. If they kept that information to themselves, I'd have no issue. Action without responsibility.

I'm not FOR gay marriage by any stretch. I'm against the government being involved in marriage to begin with. But openly homosexual people should not expect their behavior to be accepted as "normal" for clearly it is not. Action without responsibility is foisted upon us by liberals.

Finally, drop the Libertarian idiocy line and I'd have a bit more respect for your point-of-view.

20 posted on 10/21/2004 2:25:39 PM PDT by LiberalSlayer99 (Follow-Up)
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