or this one...
Posted on 10/21/2004 1:24:03 PM PDT by Agitate
Conservative Values
Our American way of life, from Constitutional rights to the concept of limited government is under attack. The values of our founders, free worship, free speech, and free enterprise must be upheld. I pledge to continue to work with President Bush and all principled public officials to help restore dignity and integrity to our government and our nation. I will continue Congressman Schaffer's exemplary record on these vital matters. I support the Pledge of Allegiance, traditional marriage, and all those principles that make this nation great..
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Sorry. No help from me. The government has no business in the marriage business period (straight or gay). If we are a truly limited government then this shouldn't be an issue.
Marriage is best left to the churches, synagogues and chapels...not the state.
Typical libertarian foolishness.
Rather than replying with an ad hominem attack, refute it with a well-defended view.
Liberalslayer99 in name only - your a fool to think that you can seperate morality and the govt. Whats next sentencing for the death penalty should only be between the accuser and the convicted? Wake up idiot.
Your comparing apples and oranges (consensual activities among adults vs. someone harming another individual). Again, another ad hominem attack. You're arguing like a liberal. Please try again.
Homosexual Agenda Ping - this is one good Congresswoman. She should stay in office. Anyone who can help, I hope you take some action.
I get her e-newsletter, and I know she is on the right, conservative side on many issues.
Let me and Scripter know if anyone wants on/off this pinglist.
or this one...
IOW, if the world were all different, things would be different.
Mmm hmm, yup. Things sure would be very different if it was a different world.
Nope...neither.
As I stated previously the government has no business in the marriage business. If they need to track it for citizenship purposes then all unions as far as the state is concerned should be civil unions.
Marriage has traditionally been a religious ceremony best left to the religion of your choice.
Typical libertarian idiocy.
Since the dawn of human history government has been part of marriage either as clan, tribe, tradition, or as the state because it is of the utmost importance to the health and moral tone of civil society. Since people no longer live lives in which anti-social behavior is held in check by fear of ostracism or disgrace from clan, tribe, tradition, or "what the neighbors will say" (the only circumstances under which a libertarian society could ever work) they look to government to enforce the societal consensus. This is because it has always been a matter of extreme public interest to see to it that women and children are looked after.
As we see from Europe, a society in which sodomy has won is a pagan, hedonistic, barbaric one in which marriage collapses completely and the birthrate drops below the replacement rate. You cannot have civilization in the absence of a state committed to enforcing codes of civilized behavior. That means Judeo-Christian morality because, frankly, the alternatives just don't work.
The State (Govt) most certainly has an interest in preserving marriage, as marriage results in families. Familes are what make up villages/towns/cities/states. Without the "family", society, and to a large extent, basic human morality are thrown under a bus.
The State recognizing marriage as one man-one woman preserves that tradition which has held society together. If the State were to suddenly dissolve that, and make marriage and family whatever anyone wants it to be, society will suffer because of that experiment.
Yeah, what you said.
(Your words - much more eloquent than my disjointed babble)
Sin is sin. I'm glad there is someone in Congress who knows that.
That is a good argument worth commenting on and I respect your opinion.
Yes, it has gone to the government level. I do support conservative politicians in the hopes that strict Constititutionalist judges will replace the leftist lackeys in our courts now. I feel that the only way we'll get off the slippery slope and get the government out of our lives is to support conservatives that hold dear the Constitution...not the leftists that believe it to be a "living" document. However, I believe the gay-marriage issue is a non-starter and yet another example of government attempting to dictate to the lives of private citizens.
I believe that Roe vs. Wade decision is bad law just as I believe that the Texas Sodomy Supreme Court decision is bad law. I don't like the Supreme Court legislating from the bench. On the other hand, I question the validity of the sodomy law as it infringes on personal freedom among the activities of adults. Abortion infringes on the freedom of the fetus so I'm firmly anti-abortion (Libertarians tend to split on this issue)
This is intended as a respectful, albeit strong disagreement, not a flame btw.
No flaming from me. Just trying to argue a point.
As a Libertarian, I'm for holding people responsible for their actions. Though I personally could care less what takes place in the bedroom with any 2 consenting adults, I don't agree with openly gay behavior. Why? Essentially they broadcast who they have sex with. If they kept that information to themselves, I'd have no issue. Action without responsibility.
I'm not FOR gay marriage by any stretch. I'm against the government being involved in marriage to begin with. But openly homosexual people should not expect their behavior to be accepted as "normal" for clearly it is not. Action without responsibility is foisted upon us by liberals.
Finally, drop the Libertarian idiocy line and I'd have a bit more respect for your point-of-view.
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