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To: orionblamblam
Wrong, but thanks for playing. None of these are "pagan." The first two are most assuredly Christian. yes, they were taken over from pagan origins, but Christmas is not a worship of Mithras.

To say that "taken over from pagan origins" makes something Christian is illogical to the extreme.

Jereboam in the OT got into a lot of trouble for doing the exact same thing and heaping a lot of judgment on the people of the 10 Northern tribes.

1 Kings 12: 25-32

25 Then Jeroboam built Shechem in the hill country of Ephraim, and lived there. And he went out from there and built Penuel.

26 Jeroboam said in his heart, "Now the kingdom will return to the house of David.

27 " If this people go up to offer sacrifices in the house of the LORD at Jerusalem, then the heart of this people will return to their lord, {even} to Rehoboam king of Judah; and they will kill me and return to Rehoboam king of Judah."

28 So the king consulted, and made two golden calves, and he said to them, "It is too much for you to go up to Jerusalem; behold your gods, O Israel, that brought you up from the land of Egypt."

29 He set one in Bethel, and the other he put in Dan.

30 Now this thing became a sin, for the people went {to worship} before the one as far as Dan.

31 And he made houses on high places, and made priests from among all the people who were not of the sons of Levi.

32 Jeroboam instituted a feast in the eighth month on the fifteenth day of the month, like the feast which is in Judah, and he went up to the altar; thus he did in Bethel, sacrificing to the calves which he had made. And he stationed in Bethel the priests of the high places which he had made.

33 Then he went up to the altar which he had made in Bethel on the fifteenth day in the eighth month, even in the month which he had devised in his own heart; and he instituted a feast for the sons of Israel and went up to the altar to burn incense.

Note in v. 28, Jeroboam didn't give them a new g-d. He simply said that his statutes were representations of the true G-d who delivered them from Egypt.

Note v. 31, Jeroboam changed Torah rules about priesthood.

Note v. 32, Jerooboam set up new feasts which were different from the feasts in the Torah.

This is EXACTLY the same thing the Church has done. It has replaced Yeshua with Mithra by co-opting Mithra's birthday and putting Yeshua's name on it. Christians have presumed to replace G-d's holy days with pagan "holidays" dressed up in Christian garb and then calls those who defend the Bible "judaisers" and those who defend the paganized Christian days "true believers". What a line of baloney is that?

92 posted on 10/22/2004 11:09:40 AM PDT by Tamar1973 ("He who is compassionate to the cruel, ends up being cruel to the compassionate." Chazal)
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To: Tamar1973

> To say that "taken over from pagan origins" makes something Christian is illogical to the extreme.

Indeed it is. However, YOU are the only one argueing about that. I really wish you could stick to the debate at hand.

> This is EXACTLY the same thing the Church has done. It has replaced Yeshua with Mithra by co-opting Mithra's birthday and putting Yeshua's name on it.

Ah, I get it. Like how the Bible was paganized when it was translated out of Greek and Hebrew into the heathen languages of Europe.

>Christians have presumed to replace G-d's holy days with pagan "holidays" dressed up in Christian garb and then calls those who defend the Bible "judaisers" and those who defend the paganized Christian days "true believers". What a line of baloney is that?

Probably the same kind of baloney that leads people into getting seriously upset about other people having holidays that aren't mentioned in some book or other. Or quite similar to the baloney of those who claim to defend the Bible, yet who do not follow the Bibles plainest tenets.

Speaking of which... you *STILL* haven't answered why you are disobeying Ex. 23:24. It is quite plainly written, is it not?

It there some reason why you are avoiding answering this rather simple question? If you choose to judge other Christians for not followign the Bible as you do, then you should account for why you disobey it. Yes?


94 posted on 10/22/2004 11:18:50 AM PDT by orionblamblam
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