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To: Tamar1973

REALLY?
Want to BET on it?


35 posted on 10/21/2004 2:32:44 PM PDT by Darksheare (Ganags of epopel shall stune your beeber with "UNNNGH!")
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To: Darksheare
I would direct you to read Acts 15. After reading that you will understand that James presumed that the new Christian followers Paul was bringing into the Church would follow the basics of Torah as he spelt out and would learn more and keep more as time went on. He never would have imagined what we see now, with Christians claiming the freedom to commit sins because Yeshua made them "free".

"If 'law' can only mean Torah --- then what does "lawless' mean? Anti-Torah? In the case of lawlessness, I happen to agree that Torah is indeed meant -- that the sign of the end times would be "Torah-lessness." Christians often brag that they are "free from law" not realizing that's just a seemingly nice way of saying "without law" or "having no law." See note on "Law of Christ"--Ellen Kavanaugh "Oddly, In the same breath Christians claim Yeshua *was* G-d, they manage to say the "Law of Christ" is not the same as "Law of G-d" (that is, Torah). Many Christians claim the "Law of Christ" is "And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these. Mark 12:30,31."-Ellen Kavanaugh

Yet they forget that these were written in Torah first.

Deuteronomy 6:5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might"

Leviticus 19:18 "Do not make attempts to get equal with one who has done you wrong, or keep hard feelings against the children of your people, but have love for your neighbour as for yourself: I am the Lord."

"Yeshua's Law *is* G-d's Law. Where the Law of Messiah differs isn't in regard to G-d's Law, but man's. Yeshua came to correctly interpret Torah. Man had added to G-d's Law in an attempt to fence and protect G-d's Law, and in the process, parts of G-d's Law had been misunderstood. Yeshua helped define what the Law was really teaching (Matthew 5's "Sermon on the Mount" is an excellent example of Yeshua clarifying Torah). When Yeshua summed up the Law into these two commands, he was conveying essential principles -- love G-d and love your neighbour. But how does G-d want us to love Him? How does He want us to love our neighbor? We're back to Torah -- we need Torah to define "how" to love G-d and our neighbour."--Ellen Kavanaugh

Romans 2:13 "(For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified)."

Romans 3:31 "Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law."

Romans 7:12 "Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good."

Romans 7:14 "For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin."

Romans 7:22 "For I delight in the law of God after the inward man."

42 posted on 10/21/2004 3:06:39 PM PDT by Tamar1973 ("He who is compassionate to the cruel, ends up being cruel to the compassionate." Chazal)
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