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Trade Deficit Figures Point to Diminished American Economic Future
AmericanEconomicAlert.org ^ | Wednesday, October 20, 2004 | Alan Tonelson

Posted on 10/20/2004 2:40:59 PM PDT by Willie Green

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To: Sam the Sham
>>>>>Bush is having the difficulties he has in Ohio and Michigan because they have borne the brunt of "free trade" policies.<<<<<

You are exactly right about Ohio, which is a socially conservative state in which the GOP holds every statewide elected office and controls both houses of the state legislature. Free trade has destroyed the economy in large parts of the state; that's the only reason Kerry even has a chance here.

21 posted on 10/20/2004 3:07:22 PM PDT by Thorin ("I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.")
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To: Willie Green
You're right.

*sigh*

Only one left to do now:


22 posted on 10/20/2004 3:10:00 PM PDT by Skooz (Any nation that would elect John Kerry as it's president has forfeited it's right to exist.)
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To: Warren_Piece
Willie, show me that trade deficits have skyrocketed as a percentage of GNP and I'll change my tagline to Go Pat, Go!

Note: It is traditional to use 3 exclamation points (!) following "Go Pat Go" in your tagline.

23 posted on 10/20/2004 3:10:07 PM PDT by Willie Green (Hawkins/Tonnelson in 2004!!!)
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To: dennisw

whatever dude...

As an automotive supplier, the Germans and the Japanese are better to work with than Generous Morons....and more profitable.


24 posted on 10/20/2004 3:10:24 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: BurbankKarl

Are you an auto supplier?


25 posted on 10/20/2004 3:11:25 PM PDT by dennisw (Gd - against Amelek for all generations.)
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To: Uncle Vlad
Guess I should go down to my neighborhood grocery store and protest the trade deficit I have with them

Are you equating creating jobs in China and India, while job growth here has lagged at 40k a month, with buying groceries at your corner store?
26 posted on 10/20/2004 3:13:32 PM PDT by lelio
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To: dennisw

yes


27 posted on 10/20/2004 3:20:40 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: Skooz

Ok, funny just dang funny....


Toyota is spending large amount of that profit here in North America. They also export parts from here back to the Asia, but then you don't read about that everywhere.


28 posted on 10/20/2004 3:21:21 PM PDT by Rev DMV
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To: Uncle Vlad
Guess I should go down to my neighborhood grocery store and protest the trade deficit I have with them, because I buy all my groceries from them, and they don't bu anything from me. Okay, yeah, I get it. Sure.

If you spend more money than you earn each month then you have a trade deficit. To swing this this you can:

-deplete your savings

- borrow on credit cards

- mortgage your house

29 posted on 10/20/2004 3:21:41 PM PDT by dennisw (Gd - against Amelek for all generations.)
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To: Willie Green
TO THOSE WHO IGNORE MOUNTING TRADE DEFICITS

"FAT, DUMB AND STUPID IS NO WAY TO GO THROUGH LIFE"

30 posted on 10/20/2004 3:22:20 PM PDT by ex-snook (Vote for someone who represents your views or your views will be ignored.)
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To: dennisw

Are you free to mention what you supply to Toyota? And your firm is American owned, not a joint partnership with Japanese or other foreigners?


31 posted on 10/20/2004 3:23:53 PM PDT by dennisw (Gd - against Amelek for all generations.)
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To: Sam the Sham
You're wrong. Michigan has lost more jobs to other states than it has to other countries because of higher taxes and union strangleholds. Additionally, many new jobs here are from foreign companies including HI-tech, automotive industries and their suppliers, it's called job 'in sourcing.' 

The state has a robust economy that is brought down by the huge cities, and the collective pathetic city management (like Detroit) and employee unions. Thank the dems and their 'Great Society' that has really made a perpetual mess of urban areas.

To suggest that job issues here are a direct result of free trade policies is at best myopic. To be sure a few jobs could be affected but it is miniscule by comparison - but open trade brings in more factories (like the Japanese auto companies) than a protectionist mindset would produce.   

And don't forget productivity. It is way up along with technology and simply fewer people are needed in many applications.  I have considered (and still am) moving my own business to a friendlier state and taking the jobs with it, and it doesn't have a darned thing to do with free trade.

32 posted on 10/20/2004 3:24:46 PM PDT by quantim (Victory is not relative, it is absolute.)
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To: BurbankKarl

Are you free to mention what you supply to Toyota? And your firm is American owned, not a joint partnership with Japanese or other foreigners?


33 posted on 10/20/2004 3:28:52 PM PDT by dennisw (Gd - against Amelek for all generations.)
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To: Willie Green

One of us is using political theory


34 posted on 10/20/2004 4:11:11 PM PDT by aynrandfreak (If 9/11 didn't change you, you're a bad human being)
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To: dennisw
All Toyota profits from their USA production go to Japan. You are colonized and too numbed down to know it or care.

So all those U.S. companies that set-up overseas flood their profits back here? Cool.

35 posted on 10/20/2004 4:16:02 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Sam the Sham
Bush is having the difficulties he has in Ohio and Michigan because they have borne the brunt of "free trade" policies.

Yup, Canada being our largest trading partner, NAFTA just killed Michigan. LOL

36 posted on 10/20/2004 4:17:53 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

Take your Ritalin crudeboy.


37 posted on 10/20/2004 4:27:23 PM PDT by dennisw (Gd - against Amelek for all generations.)
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To: dennisw

Nice. I never knew you were in favor of off-shoring.


38 posted on 10/20/2004 4:28:18 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Warren_Piece
Willie, show me that trade deficits have skyrocketed as a percentage of GNP and I'll change my tagline to Go Pat, Go!

Here's a graph of both our net external debt and our trade deficit, graphed against our GDP, which you can safely treat as equivalent to GNP:

Source: Federal Reserve

Our debt is clearly "skyrocketing", and it is a growing problem; the question is really how serious is it? There are economists that do indeed go with the panglossian school, such as Federal Reserve Governor Bernanke and Larry Kudlow; some who are concerned, such as Federal Reserve Governor Gramlich (the source of this graph); some who are quite concerned, such as Paul Craig Roberts.

Going by objective criteria such as those published by the World Bank, I believe that we are in the worrisome stage where we are likely to start seeing serious talk about cutting our AAA credit rating, much as was done to Japan because of their very large fiscal debt -- and Japan is our primary lender. My profile has more about this subject.

I would very like to see us adopt trade policies that do not indebt ourselves to pay for manufactured goods and for services. Indebting ourselves to acquire assets, that can indeed be good business; indebting yourself to consume a Mexican lettuce or fire a Chinese firecracker is clearly not.

39 posted on 10/20/2004 4:42:26 PM PDT by snowsislander
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To: 1rudeboy
So all those U.S. companies that set-up overseas flood their profits back here? Cool.

Actually, due to our tax laws, our companies do not tend to repatriate profits. I've seen an estimate that perhaps $500 billion would return if the "Homeland Investment Act" (aka "Invest in the USA Act") were passed to substantially lower those taxes.

However, I don't believe that we charge any sort of repatriation tax to companies that take money out of the U.S., which is a practice that some countries do engage in to try to keep money in their countries. (I believe that the consensus opinion that it is instead an effective way to keep initial investments out of these countries.)

40 posted on 10/20/2004 4:51:36 PM PDT by snowsislander
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