Zogby still shows it tied today - B46, K46

Reuters ^

[NittanyLion]

Again for the third time read all the comments and tell me you don't have "suspicians"

Not really. I've learned that people don't stick around for six years if they're really Democrats. All I suspect is that CBG's opinion differs from yours - but I see that sort of thing all the time. It's a discussion board, after all - not an echo chamber.

[Commie Basher]

I'd love to watch Bush's fellow Texan Tom Delay preside over the victory as the new house members cast their vote for president.

Yeah, having Congress "appoint" the president is a great way to unify an already dangerously polarized nation.

Actually, the most disruptive thing that can happen is a close race, with many voting scandals in several states, numerous lawsuits, culminating in an "appointment" of Bush or Kerry weeks after the election. Not good for America, whatever the outcome.

[NittanyLion]

At the risk of repeating myself yet again, Zogby was wrong on President Bush's share of the votes in 2000. He was also wrong on the electoral votes. And has has been repeated again and again, two other pollsters had more accurate predictions than Zogby did.

Yes, I've granted that. Hence the reason in my previous post I inserted the text: "(Standard Disclaimer: CBS and Harris were closer)". Perhaps you missed that. What remains noticeably absent from your post is the fact that he was right on Gore's share. Indeed, you also conveniently left out the part where he performed well in 1996.

Plus Zogby has had an abysmal performance in his predictions since 2000, coming out not only wrong in his predictions in 2002 and 2003, but massively wrong.

Last I checked, those weren't presidential elections. You're talking apples and oranges here. Now maybe Zogby's lost his "touch" after 2000. I sure hope so, and in any event we'll find out soon enough. But I'm not about to totally discount his polls given the fact that he has a strong track record. That doesn't make me a democrat, it simply makes my opinion different than yours.

What kind of patient goes to a doctor who has done plastic surgery on his last 2 pals, and reduced them to living horrors? Someone like you and your ostrich pals from U, I think.

[Fury]

You can't possibly be paid for the junk you write.

Knock it off.

[NittanyLion]

What kind of patient goes to a doctor who has done plastic surgery on his last 2 pals, and reduced them to living horrors? Someone like you and your ostrich pals from U, I think.

[Left off my previous post]

Gee, another insult. You just can't seem to climb out of that gutter, eh?

[KwasiOwusu]

"Not really. I've learned that people don't stick around for six years if they're really Democrats" Really? I have also learned that when you have someone with psychotic tendencies, they won't normally stop at anything, being driven as they are by an insane hatred of something or the other. Simply staying on a board for 6 years in order to cause mischief is like tidily winks to such individuals, especially the Bush haters.

[NittanyLion]

I have also learned that when you have someone with psychotic tendencies, they won't normally stop at anything, being driven as they are by an insane hatred of something or the other.

You seem to have personal experience dealing with those who have psychotic tendencies, so I'll leave it to everyone to draw their conclusions based upon their own experiences.

Based on what I've seen, though, CBG isn't the one with the problem on this thread.

[KwasiOwusu]

"Gee, another insult. You just can't seem to climb out of that gutter, eh? I think you are delusional. See here. You=gutter, Me=standing on firm ground looking at you in pity, as you wallow in dirt. See? That was easy, wasn't it? :)

[NittanyLion]

I think you are delusional. See here. You=gutter, Me=standing on firm ground looking at you in pity, as you wallow in dirt. See? That was easy, wasn't it? :)

It appears you attribute some mental defect to anyone who disagrees with you. Perhaps a worthwhile exercise for you would be to realize that the common denominator is...you.

[KwasiOwusu]

"I'll leave it to everyone to draw their conclusions based upon their own experiences." That judgment came in long ago. Just read through this thread will you? It appears you and your double CBG have unanimously been voted as the crazies.

[KwasiOwusu]

"It appears you attribute some mental defect to anyone who disagrees with you" Nope. Just the crazy ones.

[unspun]

From what glimpses we can see of how these pollsters make their samples and where their presuppositions are, the poll numbers going up evenly for Bush and Kerry in the Zogby poll is quite a good sign. Splitting the undecideds evenly should bring that 2%+ victory that Bush may need, in the popular vote, in order to assure Florida a/o Ohio, plus another swing state or three.

[NittanyLion]

Well, now I've grown bored of exchanging posts with you. It was fun while it lasted. Stick around and keep your eyes/ears open: you might learn something.

[ClintonBeGone]

lol

[traderrob6]

Then you obviously have NOT read the entire thread (postings) He was really bad mouth "congressman"...who by the way is a charter member of your "elite" group

[ClintonBeGone]

You know, the Clintons sort of created a monster by polling and taking focus group analysis and etc. Maybe we on the Right should avoid attributing such great power and influence to the pollsters...?

I agree with you there. But if we are going to attribute anything to pollsters, (and if this thread is any indication, we have or do) then it should at least be done in an objective manner. What does it help our side to dismiss facts which we find inconvenient?

[NittanyLion]

Splitting the undecideds evenly should bring that 2%+ victory that Bush may need, in the popular vote, in order to assure Florida a/o Ohio, plus another swing state or three.

Yeah, I'm cautiously optimistic on Bush's chances. Even the "worst" polls have him tied with Kerry, while most have him ahead. Florida and Ohio look good as well, and in the end that's likely all that matters.

I've read that generally undecideds break to the incumbent in a Presidential election, which should also help Bush (although it's somewhat counterintuitive, I think). Hopefully that pattern holds true in this election.

[ClintonBeGone]

Its the easiest thing in the world for DU members to join FREEP, 2 years or more before an election, for the sole purpose of spreading FUD (Fear Uncertainty and Doubt) in the minds of the faithfull right before this momentous election.

LOL you can't be serious. I certainly am a Bush supporter. Kwasi, I guess the difference between us is that I'm an objective supporter.

[ClintonBeGone]

Zogby has changed his polling methodology since the 2000 election. Therefore, using his record from that election is not relevent to how accurate he is now.

Can you share with us an example of a polling firm that hasn't changed it methods since 2000? Four years is a long time. We now have number portability, voice over internet, the move from homes with landlines to strictly cell phones. What pollster hasn't changed with the times?

[traderrob6]

CBG if so, why all the DIM talking points and the cherry picking of "selected" data to prove your point. I don't know if you are what you say or not frankly but your arguments often appear to be straight out of the DPB.... what gives just.... playing the devils advocate