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Thousands of new-voter cards in Ohio undeliverable (fraud alert)
Enquirer Columbus Bureau ^ | 10/20/04

Posted on 10/20/2004 2:17:54 AM PDT by ambrose

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To: ambrose
"Rats are paid to sign up as many "people" as possible...."

That could be a big factor if huge numbers of these "voters" don't show up. If someone is pounding the bricks, getting paid per name or per hour, their main incentive is to get any name they can or outright make them up. Lots of padding with phonys to get more money. Also, just registering when someone makes it easy for you does not mean they show up at the voting booth.

If they try to pad the vote with absentee ballots, it is more dangerous for them than dubious registrations because those votes are watched more closely.

21 posted on 10/20/2004 3:45:33 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: wildandcrazyrussian

I understand and agree. It's probably quite likely that there are many fraudulant registrations..

But I would guesstimate that several thousand of these are just mistakes or moves.


How many voters voted in 2000 in Ohio.. I can't look up the #'s at my work computer.


22 posted on 10/20/2004 4:04:50 AM PDT by Josh in PA
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To: Flyer

Yah, but again REGISTRATIONS do not equal VOTES. There is no way if there is an unusual number of absentees all this stuff doesn't get re-counted. You have to realize that the plan was IMHO not to vote these people but to "register" so as to build up this aura of inevitability about a Kerry win. I don't ever think there was a plan to try to vote these registrations, even with absentees. It's too obvious, and too easily caught, as we see.


23 posted on 10/20/2004 4:41:34 AM PDT by LS
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To: ambrose
Thousands of cards mailed by county election boards to newly registered voters in Hamilton County and throughout the state are being returned because the people can't be found. John Williams, director of the Hamilton County Board of Elections, said the situation indicates that there might not be as many new voters as some expect in a state deemed crucial in the presidential election. Ohio Republican Party Chairman Robert Bennett on Tuesday said it's a result of statewide registration fraud conducted by independent groups that support Democratic candidates. "By most accounts, their work can only be considered sloppy, haphazard and, in some cases, downright illegal," Bennett said, noting that the state party plans to take out full-page ads in Ohio newspapers encouraging citizens to stop voter fraud.

The 'Rats are out in force this election. I'd bet at least 5% of the total vote will be fraudulent in Ohio.

24 posted on 10/20/2004 4:48:37 AM PDT by Prince Charles
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To: ambrose

Bump


25 posted on 10/20/2004 4:51:09 AM PDT by BunnySlippers ("F" Stands for FLIP-FLOP ...)
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To: ambrose
One way to check up on validity of addresses would be to have every poll worker with a laptop, then mapquest the address right at the table before the person gets his ballot.

This whole thing about Ohioans casting a ballot just anyplace is crazy. There are local issues that vary from precinct to precinct. With the judge's blessing, people will be voting on whether or not somebody else will have different aldermen, no garbage taxes, etc. President, Governor--universal statewide ballot. But being able to vote on issues which really effect your neighbor is one of the responsibilities of voting. Do I really want a guy from a different part of town having a say over what happens in my district?

26 posted on 10/20/2004 4:52:03 AM PDT by MHT
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To: ambrose

Wonder how many of these "people" are going to show up and vote with provisional ballots. Anyone know what OH's ruling is on provisional ballots?


27 posted on 10/20/2004 4:53:28 AM PDT by BunnySlippers ("F" Stands for FLIP-FLOP ...)
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To: zr2hammer

"Once Bush wins the election there needs to be some sort of national voting requirement that's the same for every state. Every person who votes must vote at their prescribed precinct with identification...and if their is any question, two forms of ID. Wa-laa. Why is this so difficult?"

It is difficult because according to activist judges and the ACLU it violates your civil rights. So your rights will be taken away by cheaters.



28 posted on 10/20/2004 4:56:47 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Control the information to society and you control society.)
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To: ambrose
The unions will be busing armies of crack-heads around Ohio to stuff ballot boxes wherever they can.

Sir.
Your inference that union members are crack-heads is patently offense.

They are NOT crack-heads. Drunks and wife beaters, yes - crack-heads, no.

:-)

29 posted on 10/20/2004 4:59:31 AM PDT by Condor51 (May God have mercy upon my enemies, I won't. -- Gen G. Patton Jr)
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To: wildandcrazyrussian
the concept that 6.6% of the NEWEST addresses from several weeks ago would have become undeliverable in say one month is improbable by a factor of 6.6%/0.24% = 27.

It's lower than that. Because most of these registrations - if valid - would be because somebody moved. The likelihood that you would register to vote without knowing you were about to move (again?) and then forget to re-re-register is pretty slim.

30 posted on 10/20/2004 5:31:23 AM PDT by IMRight ("Eye" See BS)
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To: wildandcrazyrussian

Wouldn't someone who moved have their mail forwarded? That's usually what I do!


31 posted on 10/20/2004 5:44:33 AM PDT by squirrel1014
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To: ambrose

In the registration battle, Dems and Pubbies may be tied, but since many Dem registrations are coming out to be fraudulant, perhaps we will, indeed, win the battle.


32 posted on 10/20/2004 5:52:18 AM PDT by Munch (BC in '04 (BUSH-CHENEY..... and BOSTON COLLEGE))
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To: zr2hammer
Once Bush wins the election there needs to be some sort of national voting requirement that's the same for every state. Every person who votes must vote at their prescribed precinct with identification...and if their is any question, two forms of ID. Wa-laa. Why is this so difficult?

If this law were to pass, the democrats would be out of power for the next 50 years. So Bush and the republicans need to win with enough votes to override the fiercest challenge to a piece of legislation we've ever seen.

33 posted on 10/20/2004 5:57:45 AM PDT by lafroste (gravity is not a force, dangit)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

In democrat precincts, the poll officials DELIBERATELY DON'T look at ID's and people, they deliberately encourage as many as possible to vote as many times as possible!


34 posted on 10/20/2004 6:01:54 AM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but Kerry's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: Flyer
Do they report the breakdown of those registrations? Are they mostly dems? However, if I were the mastermind of such egrigous(sp?) fraud, I would make sure the phoney registrations were divided into repub, dem, and independent at roughly the same percentage as the existing registrations. Just because you are registered as a repyb doesn't mean you can't vote for Kerry.

We need the smoking gun. The lists of these registrations exists somewhere or they would be of no use. Also, a conspiracy this large has got to have a weak link somewhere. We need to find it.

35 posted on 10/20/2004 6:04:26 AM PDT by lafroste (gravity is not a force, dangit)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

I'm sure that is true and has long been true in some places.
That factor will be the same in this election.


36 posted on 10/20/2004 6:05:33 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: MHT

Good Point. With some people right across the street is a different state senator or state representative. How can you legitimately vote in another city or district and have all of your representatives be on the ballot?


37 posted on 10/20/2004 6:44:48 AM PDT by thirst4truth
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To: Allegra
noting that the state party plans to take out full-page ads in Ohio newspapers encouraging citizens to stop voter fraud.

CITIZENS?

CITIZENS!!!!! ?

Taxes, regulation, the largest employer in many states, and the one thing those elected or appointed by those elected to office CAN'T do is make sure the election itself is legal? Citizens? What about the state attorney? What about the registrars? etc.


38 posted on 10/20/2004 7:02:44 AM PDT by sevry
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To: thirst4truth

I saw a woman Sat nite who is a national expect on election law and re-districting. She is shocked by the judge's decision about out-of-precinct voting because of its disregard for local implications. Because of that, upon appeal, it might not hold up.


39 posted on 10/20/2004 8:37:45 AM PDT by MHT
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To: ambrose

They may be undeliverable, but what do you bet that these guys won't show up for their provisional ballot?


40 posted on 10/20/2004 1:17:26 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.)
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