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To: Non-Sequitur

Ft. Sumter was in the CSA not the USA and had no lease agreement or treaty that would allow them to maintain a military presence in the CSA.

The 10th Amendment is the seperation between the federal government and the state government. Most liberals tend to believe, as you, that the states have no individual rights. So you understand, there is NO right in the Constitution that prohibits a state from leaving the USA, therefore, the 10th Amendment takes over and gives the States the authority to make those decisions on their own. This also goes for Abortion, state right to permit/disallow religion in public facilities, and even speed limits. Unfortunately, liberal jurists interpret the Constitution however they wish and continue to "read into" the Constitution rather than take the document literally as the signers intended.

On the war/slavery issue. Prior to Lincoln's election (1857, 1858) he stated he had no intention to emancipate the slaves. His intention with attacking th south was to stop the seperation of the states. Additionally, he illegally arrested Maryland legislators who were on their way to vote on secession and also arrested the governor of Delaware who was ready to approve secession.

The states had a right to leave, and did so. They were brought back in by force and NEVER reapproved for statehood, thereby making them still seperated from the USA.

What good is the Constitution if judges interpret it any way they want? No more prayer in schools (not in the Constitution). No more Pledge of allegiance (not in the Constitution). Federal government determining whether a woman has the right to let a baby live or die (I missed the Constitutional amendment that makes unborn babies property (slaves).

Amen.


73 posted on 10/20/2004 5:59:58 AM PDT by BS69 (A yankee who moved south)
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To: BS69
Ft. Sumter was in the CSA not the USA and had no lease agreement or treaty that would allow them to maintain a military presence in the CSA.

One wasn't necessary. Fort Sumter was the property of the federal government and even had the southern acts of secession been legal that does not automatically transfer ownership to the Davis regime. Sumter would remained U.S. property until Congress voted to dispose of it.

The 10th Amendment is the seperation between the federal government and the state government. Most liberals tend to believe, as you, that the states have no individual rights. So you understand, there is NO right in the Constitution that prohibits a state from leaving the USA, therefore, the 10th Amendment takes over and gives the States the authority to make those decisions on their own. This also goes for Abortion, state right to permit/disallow religion in public facilities, and even speed limits. Unfortunately, liberal jurists interpret the Constitution however they wish and continue to "read into" the Constitution rather than take the document literally as the signers intended.

That is complete idiocy. The states are guaranteed considerable amount of freedom under the Constitution, but only those not reserved to Congress or forbidden under the Constitution. The Constitution gives Congress the authority to admit states and approve any change in their status. That includes leaving. Had the southern states tried to leave in the same manner as most of them joined, with the approval of a majority of the other states through a vote in Congress, then the south would be a separate country today.

On the war/slavery issue. Prior to Lincoln's election (1857, 1858) he stated he had no intention to emancipate the slaves. His intention with attacking th south was to stop the seperation of the states. Additionally, he illegally arrested Maryland legislators who were on their way to vote on secession and also arrested the governor of Delaware who was ready to approve secession.

Complete nonsense. Lincoln's aim was to preserve the Union and prevent the southern rebellion. Your claims about the Maryland legislature and the governor of Delaware are 9 parts myth and only one part truth. Like most southron arguements.

The states had a right to leave, and did so. They were brought back in by force and NEVER reapproved for statehood, thereby making them still seperated from the USA.

In theory there is absolutely no reason why a state cannot leave the Union. But logically it should be done in the same manner as states are admitted. And that is through a majority vote in both houses of Congress.

Amen.

Whatever.

76 posted on 10/20/2004 6:13:55 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Jefferson Davis - the first 'selected, not elected' president.)
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