Posted on 10/19/2004 8:32:13 AM PDT by Fatalis
When Officers in combat put their own interests before their mission, they endanger not only the mission, but their country, their families, those they are fighting for and ultimately their own men.
"Officers" like Kerry evoke a visceral reaction from those of us who have actually had the experience. I, too am a VietVet. My father was one of the original SeaBees in WWII. Both of my older brothers served in the Navy during the Korean War. My service was in the Army, '69 thru 71, MACV in 1970. By some miracle, none of us were ever wounded, but we all had comrades who were - some of whom did not survive.
It is from out of that same deep well of emotion that conjures up love, admiration and respect for those men, that comes the visceral response to pretenders like this prevaricating coward.
If this is not a call to action, we will never hear one!
Write letters, call congressmen, express outrage...but most importantly, GET OUT THE VOTE AND SHOW THIS PHONY THE DOOR. (Then we'll put on the pressure to expose and prosecute him...The MSM loves to kick them when they're down.)
I am not a hero, merely an ex-GI who had the honor the serve with men who were. (And all of us stayed for our full tour.)
I think Kabar has pretty much debunked the phony discharge
thing. At least to my satisfaction.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1248536/posts?page=43#43
Hmmm... I don't know. Here's his e-mail though.
RBowieJ@comcast.net
I thought the same thing. Googling as much as I could, the guy does seem to be legit. I would still like to know more about him though.
I have one question about this discharge story, why didn't anyone ask about it in the previous thirty years, before the last discharge was issued?
When Officers in combat put their own interests before their mission, they endanger not only the mission, but their country, their families, those they are fighting for and ultimately their own men.
"Officers" like Kerry evoke a visceral reaction from those of us who have actually had the experience. I, too am a VietVet. My father was one of the original SeaBees in WWII. Both of my older brothers served in the Navy during the Korean War. My service was in the Army, '69 thru 71, MACV in 1970. By some miracle, none of us were ever wounded, but we all had comrades who were - some of whom did not survive.
It is from out of that same deep well of emotion that conjures up love, admiration and respect for those men, that comes the visceral response to pretenders like this prevaricating coward.
If this is not a call to action, we will never hear one!
Write letters, call congressmen, express outrage...but most importantly, GET OUT THE VOTE AND SHOW THIS PHONY THE DOOR. (Then we'll put on the pressure to expose and prosecute him...The MSM loves to kick them when they're down.)
I am not a hero, merely an ex-GI who had the honor the serve with men who were. (And all of us stayed for our full tour.)
ping!
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Possible explanation...tunnel rats were volunteers who were not picked by rank, but rather because of physical characteristics, like being small, thin, agile and instinctivly wary and alert.
While leading from the front can take many forms I don't think officers were tunnel rat material no matter what their stature.
BTTT
This article is somewhat troubling as it leaves out the fact that so many of VVAW members were frauds. Also, as I understand, the atrocities were, by and large, unverified and unverifiable.
Based on my personal experience, Kerry received his Honorable Discharge under the standard process, which obtains for naval officers transitioning through the Reserve process.
kabar's statement does not include a "probably" or a "possibly," which means that he makes the appearance of asserting instead of making an estimate ... but, let us say that his is making an estimate.
He may be correct in his estimate, but the odds are very strong, that Lt. Kerry's route to the point at which the tradition voluntary and/or involuntary processes began for both officers, to certificate of Honorable Discharge, was NOT the path taken by kabar's career.
kabar has difficulty fathoming that probability.
The odds are very high that Lt. Kerry's career (again, his records and activities) were subject to more than one investigation and/or administrative review for cause, that being, again, Lt. Kerry's associations with the avowed enemies of the United States.
Given that probability, the issue is not really so much that Lt. Kerry was at some time between 1972 and 1978 given a certificate of less than Honorable Discharge, but, that Lt. Kerry was the subject of some kinds of investigation that placed his status in a lesser light than kabar's. So much so, that Lt. Kerry was effectively in some "pool" wherein were other officers who may have had various colored wartime and post-active duty transgressions in varying levels of not serious to very serious.
For which probability, there is much speculation but almost no documents that have yet come to light.
Kerry will never sign Form 180, and there seems to be no mechanism for forcing the release of Kerry's records due to national security concerns.
Another solution. Since so many Bush followers are falsely critical of Kerry. Have Bush enact a presidential order to wave the Form 180 request. It will show that he is ready to help Kerry set the record straight on how wonderful Kerry's record is. ((Sarcasm Off))
Johnson used a Press Release service which, for a fee, sends your Press Release all around the country. That particular Yahoo news page posts just about any and every Press Release it receives. The service is listed at the bottom of the press release. It is Send2Press a subsidiary of Neotrope.
Also, Mr. Johnson has been a guest on the tin foil hat, UFO and ghost story-filled Coast to Coast AM radio show.
Keep digging. This one is starting to smell a bit.
I'd believe something aired on C2C a lot quicker than Dan Rather.
Doug Brinkley, who was out defending Kerry and chopping up the Stolen Honor guys on O'Reilly last night, should read this letter.
As I Google, despite some questions I have, his story is starting to check out.
Yep, now we have VVAW for Truth? Pretty ironic.
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