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Survey USA: Pennsylvania - Kerry 51%, Bush 45%; Specter 48%, Hoeffel 41%
Survey USA ^ | 10/18/2004 | Survey USA

Posted on 10/18/2004 3:30:53 PM PDT by GAGOPSWEEPTOVICTORY

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To: GAGOPSWEEPTOVICTORY; Dales; Coop; ambrose; JohnnyZ; fieldmarshaldj; Clintonfatigued; Kuksool

The SUSA polls released today seem to overstate Democrat support by quite a bit. If Bush is ahead nationally by 2%-8% like most polls show, how can he be down 5% in PA, especially since he was down only 2% in PA when he was tied in national polls? And Specter is only up 48%-41%? He's been deep into the 50s most of the race, making me (and other Toomey supporters) look bad in the process (I thought that Specter might be vulnerable to Hoeffel, although that was before I saw what a bad candidate Hoeffel has been). And if Bush is only up by 5% in Arkansas, why did Kerry pull ads out of the state? And how can Bush only be up 3% in uncontested NC, especially while Burr is up 2%? And Kerry up 1% in FL while Mel Martinez is up 2%?

My guesstimate is that these latest SUSA polls are 4% more Democrat than reality, and thus, recalibrated, Bush is up 3% in FL (with Martinez up by 6%), Kerry up 2% in PA (with Specter up 11%), Bush up 7% in NC (with Burr up 6% and Ballantine down 8% in the gubernatorial race), and Bush up 9% in AR (with Holt down 15% in the Senate race).


21 posted on 10/18/2004 4:01:16 PM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice, moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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To: airborne

The line to get Bush tickets for Thursaday in Hershey was 3 hours long. Love him, but no thanks.


22 posted on 10/18/2004 4:02:56 PM PDT by AGreatPer (Go Swifties)
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To: TitansAFC
Unfortunately this reminds me a lot of some of the 2000 races, specifically Michigan and Washington State, two states that match Pennsylvania politically. You have a Republican who isn't the most popular guy in the state, and a no-name Democrat running against him, and we lead like 50-30 for the whole campaign. Then the 'RAT starts to creep up in October with ads and regular partisan block-voting, and come Election Day, they unseat the Pubbie by the narrowest of margins.

I would never, ever bet on Snarlin' Arlen Specter. I'm sorry. No one actually likes him and I felt he was overdue for his numbers to fall to Earth. He's been everything to everyone except for true conservatives and the 'RATs won't buy it in the end. I'd trade him for a good conservative from a real conservative state, like Richard Burr, who's leading Irksome Bowels in North Carolina.
23 posted on 10/18/2004 4:03:15 PM PDT by HostileTerritory
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To: TitansAFC

I agree. I don't like Spectre, but the Republicans decided to keep him in the primaries. Even if Toomey voters were to sit this one out, and I think most won't, the Liberals are lining up behind Spectre.

I don't believe the vote is that close.


24 posted on 10/18/2004 4:04:45 PM PDT by Soul Seeker
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To: AuH2ORepublican

Sounds reasonable. However, Rasmussen's premium numbers have a similar margin for Kerry in PA (with leaners) and have a tighter Florida race than a four-point calabration would allow.

I wonder what effect weekend football and ALCS and NCLS would have on these polling results though. There's likely to be more Kerry-ite girliemen wusses in a weekend poll that don't know the difference between a football and a baseball.


25 posted on 10/18/2004 4:06:13 PM PDT by GAGOPSWEEPTOVICTORY
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To: RockinRight

Dumb dumb people from Pa.


26 posted on 10/18/2004 4:07:05 PM PDT by patriciamary
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To: HostileTerritory
I'd trade him for a good conservative from a real conservative state, like Richard Burr, who's leading Irksome Bowels in North Carolina. What is conservative about NC? The Democrats run the state.
27 posted on 10/18/2004 4:07:15 PM PDT by jern (The only poll that this site think is accurate, is the poll with W. in the lead.)
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To: jern

When was the last time NC voted for a Democrat for President? Jimmy Carter? They also elected Jesse Helms for decades. Pennsylvania can't compete.


28 posted on 10/18/2004 4:08:09 PM PDT by HostileTerritory
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To: GAGOPSWEEPTOVICTORY

DO NOT BELIEVE THIS POLL.


29 posted on 10/18/2004 4:08:29 PM PDT by agincourt1415 (Swiftvets.com)
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To: GAGOPSWEEPTOVICTORY
I wonder what effect weekend football and ALCS and NCLS would have on these polling results though. There's likely to be more Kerry-ite girliemen wusses in a weekend poll that don't know the difference between a football and a baseball.

Seems like Sunday was just an over all good polling day for Kerry. Doesn't really mean much except that it shows yet again that weekend polling favor Democraps.

30 posted on 10/18/2004 4:10:45 PM PDT by COEXERJ145 (The price of freedom is eternal vigilance)
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To: HostileTerritory
I would never, ever bet on Snarlin' Arlen Specter. I'm sorry. No one actually likes him and I felt he was overdue for his numbers to fall to Earth.

Yeah, but you have to admit that the PA Dems have 'helped' Arlen over the years by running a series of weak candidates against him. Arlen has got to be the luckiest man in politics.

31 posted on 10/18/2004 4:22:07 PM PDT by Tallguy (If the Kerry campaign implodes any further, they'll reach the point of "singularity" by election day)
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To: COEXERJ145

i'll say it again - who answers their phone anymore?


32 posted on 10/18/2004 4:22:38 PM PDT by bitt
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To: laconic

The reason for that is Pennsylvania has more committed partisans and fewer swing voters than other states. Another thing to remember, Bob Dole came closer to winning in Pennsylvania than George Bush the Elder did. Pennsylvania has an unusual political mix: socially conservative and economically labor-liberal.


33 posted on 10/18/2004 4:32:39 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued
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To: COEXERJ145

Republicans are at worship, and those who aren't are working or recreating.


34 posted on 10/18/2004 4:32:39 PM PDT by txrangerette
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To: TitansAFC
They have clearly been oversampled with Democrat voters.

A large number of Dems are identifying themselves as Republicans to pollsters. The same way they identify themselves as Republicans when they call talk radio and CSPAN to crucify the President. They're taught to do this at seminars conducted by the DNC -- we know this for a fact.

It's a systematic effort by the Democratic Party. And if you don't think they're out to manipulate polls to influence public perception, go back and look at what McAuliffe called for in his pre-debate e-mail blasts.

This race isn't nearly as close as it's being made out to be.

35 posted on 10/18/2004 4:34:17 PM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Got crack?)
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To: bitt
i'll say it again - who answers their phone anymore?

Good point. Folks without caller ID are more likely to be poor, which makes them more likely to be Democrats.

36 posted on 10/18/2004 4:35:41 PM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Got crack?)
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

That's quite a feat considering these pollsters pick 600-1000 people out of millions.


37 posted on 10/18/2004 4:39:13 PM PDT by neutrality
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To: AuH2ORepublican; fieldmarshaldj; Kuksool

It's unbelieveable that Joe Hoeffel has pulled this close. He is such a lame candidate, I can't imagine why the 'Rats supported him.

RINO Arlen Specter could have been vulnerable to the right kind of Democrat. Auditor Bob Casey or Congressman Tim Holden could have won a substantial cross-over vote from social and religious conservatives, including Pat Toomey supporters. But instead, the 'Rats chose someone with an even more appalling record than Specter. Whoever decided to annoint Hoeffel will be roasting over a slow flame after election day.


38 posted on 10/18/2004 4:39:21 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued
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To: Mike10542

By GeorgeW I believe you're right. Give it some time.


39 posted on 10/18/2004 4:41:15 PM PDT by dc-zoo
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To: neutrality
That's quite a feat considering these pollsters pick 600-1000 people out of millions.

Out of 1000 people, only 15 have to misidentify themselves to skew the results significantly.

They've been teaching this method of operation for years. It doesn't take long for it to sink in among their constituency.

Again, 15 out of 1000 will do the trick just fine.

40 posted on 10/18/2004 4:46:20 PM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Got crack?)
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