So basically you would support the ACLU, you know the Communists who would deem a National ID card to be a violation of your civil rights?
For that matter, shouldn't the Census should also be a violation of our civil rights as well as having a Social Security card? Maybe the SS doesn't really mean Social Security if you get my drift Herr Scott? /sarcasm off
Let me ask you comrade, do you have a social security card? You don't mind showing it on a job application? To prove you are an American and so you can get paid and have taxes taken out by the IRS? Or do you leave it blank and say that it is a violation of your civil rights?
If you or anyone hasn't noticed yet, I am mocking this debate because so far all anyone has come up with are petty leftist excuses as to why a National ID card shouldn't be implemented, when your lives are already in a national database which is called the IRS.
Our lives are being taken away. But not by the IRS, but by massive fraud by elitist socialists whose sole purpose is to convert this country into a utopian society, governed from the UN. And people are drinking the Koolaid and smiling because they do not see the deception.
My point was that a National ID card or a voter registration card based on a Social Security card will either eliminate or drastically reduce such mundane things like dead people and dogs voting for socialists. When you eliminate this you also get a truer picture on what this country really looks like. Activist judges will fall by the wayside, inner cities will start to grow from the ashes because peoples votes will count again, radical groups will diminsh as people get to understand what has been taken from them.
If the government wanted to monitor your every movement, it wouldn't be that difficult. If the government wanted to take away your civil liberties, it would have done so already. We fight every day to preserve our rights. A Republican administration sees to it that we keep our individual freedoms. A card doesn't take away our freedom. What it takes away is the Liberals primary method of stealing elections so that they can force their form of society on us. That is probably the real reason why the ACLU would fight it, under the guise of civil liberties.
IMHO anarchy is around the corner. What we are seeing this election by the left is a last ditch effort to wrest society away from Americans and once again start on the path to governance by elitist socialists. If Kerry wins, there is one thing that will tell you that we are on the brink. That will be the war over our second amendment rights. Take away our right to defend ourselves and you take away our rights, period.
Oh, and for the record, I take offense to being called comrade.
So basically you would support the ACLU, you know the Communists who would deem a National ID card to be a violation of your civil rights?
No, we would support the Constitution, and it does not grant the federal government the authority to implement such a plan.
For that matter, shouldn't the Census should also be a violation of our civil rights as well as having a Social Security card? Maybe the SS doesn't really mean Social Security if you get my drift Herr Scott?
Have you ever even glanced at the Constitution? Article I, Sec. 2 mandates a census (or enumeration) every ten years. And yes, Social Security and the SS card are unconstitutional.
If you or anyone hasn't noticed yet, I am mocking this debate because so far all anyone has come up with are petty leftist excuses as to why a National ID card shouldn't be implemented, when your lives are already in a national database which is called the IRS.
No, you're mocking the principles of limited government and individual freedom for which our forefathers fought and died. Leftist? Please! If the government is allowed to force us to carry a national ID card, then they will be able to force us to present it anywhere at anytime. Again, I ask you, what would you have done to those who fail to comply with your socialist methods? Imprisoned? Shot? A national ID card will be worthless unless there is a penalty for noncompliance.
Our lives are being taken away. But not by the IRS, but by massive fraud by elitist socialists whose sole purpose is to convert this country into a utopian society, governed from the UN. And people are drinking the Koolaid and smiling because they do not see the deception.
So why do you insist on going along with the deception? A national ID card is something I would expect to come from the socialists in the U.N. who want to impose an international income tax.
My point was that a National ID card or a voter registration card based on a Social Security card will either eliminate or drastically reduce such mundane things like dead people and dogs voting for socialists. When you eliminate this you also get a truer picture on what this country really looks like. Activist judges will fall by the wayside, inner cities will start to grow from the ashes because peoples votes will count again, radical groups will diminsh as people get to understand what has been taken from them.
What planet have you been living on? Just look at how the Social Security number has been abused. It was never meant to be an ID number, but now you can't even rent a video without it. Believing that a safe and secure utopia will arise because of a national ID card demonstrates just how much of your mind has been infected by the socialist disease spreading across this country. Let me guess: government school graduate?
If the government wanted to monitor your every movement, it wouldn't be that difficult. If the government wanted to take away your civil liberties, it would have done so already. We fight every day to preserve our rights. A Republican administration sees to it that we keep our individual freedoms. A card doesn't take away our freedom. What it takes away is the Liberals primary method of stealing elections so that they can force their form of society on us. That is probably the real reason why the ACLU would fight it, under the guise of civil liberties.
Your ignorance simply boggles the mind. First of all, the government takes away liberties all the time. One of the most recent examples came in the form of "campaign finance reform." Oh, and in case you didn't know, CFR was passed by a Republican Congress and signed by a Republican president, so don't tell me "a Republican administration sees to it that we keep our individual freedoms."
IMHO anarchy is around the corner. What we are seeing this election by the left is a last ditch effort to wrest society away from Americans and once again start on the path to governance by elitist socialists. If Kerry wins, there is one thing that will tell you that we are on the brink. That will be the war over our second amendment rights. Take away our right to defend ourselves and you take away our rights, period.
When "conservatives" start going along with socialist tactics like implementing a national ID card, it's no wonder society is beginning to crumble. And you're worried about Kerry? What are you doing to protect your liberties right now? Not much, from what I've seen so far.
Oh, and for the record, I take offense to being called comrade.
And I take offense at being tagged and tracked like a wild animal. You can try to force socialism on me all you want, comrade. Just don't expect me to bend over and take it.
I do not disapprove of a National ID Card because of civil rights, the stance of the ACLU, the leftist ideology, etc. I have stated my reasons on earlier posts – it will accomplish nothing substantive, it can be counterfeited by those it is said to deter, it will cost too much in time and money.
It is however, Something!!! Anything!!! We have to DO SOMETHING!!!
It is strictly another feel good idea.
A Republican (Bush) signed Campaign Finance Reform and the Patriot Act.