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Congress Considering National ID Card
The American Conservative Union ^ | October 18, 2004 | aculistmanager@laptoplobbyist.com

Posted on 10/18/2004 11:02:36 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

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To: R. Scott

"Too many are sleeping - they will miss the wake up call."

That is a frightening thought. Imagine waking up on November 3 and finding out Kerry is the President.


161 posted on 10/20/2004 10:12:21 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Control the information to society and you control society.)
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To: sheltonmac

Section 5. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.

There's your precious "Constituitional enumeration."

Okay, so which provision in that particular article allows for a national ID card?

Ah, yes, the "If those exact words aren't in there, it's not authorized" scam.

Amendment 14, section 1 states that States may not "abridge the priviliges or immunities of citizens of the United States". It follows, then, that States must be capable of distinguishing between citizens and non-citizens. Section 5 states that Congress may legislate regarding this issue. Therefore, Congress may legislatively provide for citizenship documents - a.k.a. "National I.D." - if Congress deems that "appropriate". QED.

162 posted on 10/20/2004 10:33:51 AM PDT by Chemist_Geek ("Drill, R&D, and conserve" should be our watchwords! Energy independence for America!)
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To: Chemist_Geek

Ah, yes! The "living, breathing document" interpretation of the Constitution. So why didn't Congress implement a national ID system when the 14th Amendment was ratified?


163 posted on 10/20/2004 10:58:14 AM PDT by sheltonmac ("Duty is ours; consequences are God's." -Gen. Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson)
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To: Doctor Stochastic
What if a moose eats my sister's ID card while I'm in the shower?

Damn, that would be series! Might have to give up your beeber to a customes agent over that one!

164 posted on 10/20/2004 11:00:21 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Deport 'em all; let Fox sort 'em out!)
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To: EQAndyBuzz
A Republican administration sees to it that we keep our individual freedoms.

A Republican (Bush) signed Campaign Finance Reform and the Patriot Act.

165 posted on 10/20/2004 11:15:13 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Deport 'em all; let Fox sort 'em out!)
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To: sheltonmac
Because they didn't think it was necessary? Because technology wasn't at a sufficiently advanced level yet? Because illegal immigrants weren't a "problem" at the time? Because foreign terrorists weren't a problem at the time? There are a whole host of possible reasons.
166 posted on 10/20/2004 11:16:51 AM PDT by Chemist_Geek ("Drill, R&D, and conserve" should be our watchwords! Energy independence for America!)
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To: Publius6961

Typical "progressive" crap. If it's not "perfect" it's not usefu(l).

Funny thing is, hundreds of millions of legitimate credit cards are daily verified around the world, using identical type of databases, and businesses have not abandoned the whole thing due to a small percentage of fraud.

As a bonus, constant checking produces a constant stream of busted criminals!

Yes, it's amusing seeing the anti-government anarchists demanding 100% efficiency from government.

The objection I have, though, to this is that the potential trouble caused by a failure (false positive or false negative) in the credit card verification system is much, much less than the potential trouble caused by a failure in a federal I.D. system.

167 posted on 10/20/2004 11:21:24 AM PDT by Chemist_Geek ("Drill, R&D, and conserve" should be our watchwords! Energy independence for America!)
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To: Chemist_Geek
Amendment 14, section 1 states that States may not "abridge the priviliges or immunities of citizens of the United States". It follows, then, that States must be capable of distinguishing between citizens and non-citizens.

Birth certificates, naturalization documents. What more do you need? Have the states been having trouble complying with this section because of inability to make this "distinction"?

Section 5 states that Congress may legislate regarding this issue.

No, it states that Congress can enforce the amendment. Enforcement means to impose consequences for failure to comply. It doesn't mean anything else.

QED.

Not even close. Stick to chemical proofs.

168 posted on 10/20/2004 11:25:47 AM PDT by inquest (We have more people patrolling Bosnia's borders than we have patrolling our own borders)
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To: inquest

Just run along to your so-called "Free State" where anyone and everyone can wander around concealing their identity. We'll see how much trouble is caused.


169 posted on 10/20/2004 11:26:58 AM PDT by Chemist_Geek ("Drill, R&D, and conserve" should be our watchwords! Energy independence for America!)
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To: Chemist_Geek
I figured you'd post a nonsensical reply like that after having your ignorance exposed.
170 posted on 10/20/2004 11:30:16 AM PDT by inquest (We have more people patrolling Bosnia's borders than we have patrolling our own borders)
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To: inquest; Chemist_Geek

"Just run along to your so-called "Free State" where anyone and everyone can wander around concealing their identity. We'll see how much trouble is caused."


"I figured you'd post a nonsensical reply like that after having your ignorance exposed."

Whatever happened to that lady in Florida who wanted her face in the drivers license photo hidden by her bhurka?



171 posted on 10/20/2004 11:42:04 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Control the information to society and you control society.)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

After considering the trial testimony, other record evidence, briefs submitted by the parties, and oral arguments, the Court finds that Plaintiff's (Sultaana Freeman) prayer for relief must be denied.

Trial court opinion.

Of course, CNN reports that an appeal is underway.

172 posted on 10/20/2004 11:55:40 AM PDT by Chemist_Geek ("Drill, R&D, and conserve" should be our watchwords! Energy independence for America!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Would it stop Democrats from voting twice? (or twenty times...)


173 posted on 10/20/2004 11:57:11 AM PDT by HomeschoolGenealogistMom
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To: inquest
Stick to chemical proofs.

I do hope that his chemical analysis is better than his political reasoning....

Alas for Little Willie
We'll not see Willie more
For what he thought was H2O
Was H2SO4

174 posted on 10/20/2004 12:21:37 PM PDT by steve-b (I put sentences together suspiciously well for a righty blogger.)
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To: HomeschoolGenealogistMom
Would it stop Democrats from voting twice?

Given the certainty that, as soon as somebody proposes that the "ID Card" be required at the polls, 1)the Democrats will scream bloody murder and 2)the Republicans will bend over like the 98-pound weakling in a SuperMax cell block, why even bother with the proposal anyway?

175 posted on 10/20/2004 12:24:06 PM PDT by steve-b (I put sentences together suspiciously well for a righty blogger.)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

NO!!!!!


176 posted on 10/20/2004 12:32:42 PM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: HomeschoolGenealogistMom
Would it stop Democrats from voting twice?

It would make it easier to do so. Only the card need be checked, not the voter. The need only be a correspondence between the number of cards and the number of votes, not between the number of voters and the number of votes. The main difference would be that some people would feel safer.

177 posted on 10/20/2004 2:06:40 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: steve-b
I always told him to keep the sulfur trioxide in a separate location.
178 posted on 10/20/2004 3:51:53 PM PDT by inquest (We have more people patrolling Bosnia's borders than we have patrolling our own borders)
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To: azhenfud

Allright what is the technology that cant be forged or duplicated of today??


179 posted on 10/21/2004 9:06:16 AM PDT by aspiring.hillbilly
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To: aspiring.hillbilly

Well, you see it's possible to make a scannable SSI card which has a embedded digital image of the holder, plus fingerprint (thumbprint) data. If that info was accessible by read-only format from a national database (probably would require several) and the information was abled to be compared to that of the card via a card "reader" with a split screen output with the national data image displayed next to the card image, if the cardholder didn't appear to be the same persuasion as the national database entry and that within the card, one could fairly safely reason theft.


180 posted on 10/21/2004 12:17:36 PM PDT by azhenfud ("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
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