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Bush will win this election and there isn't anything Kerry can do about it!

What about after Nov 2?

The public schools and universities will continue to mold opinions that favor an RNC controlled by those with the perspectives of Giuliani, Powell, Rice, Schwarzenegger, Pataki and Bloomberg, rather than social conservatives. The future of the DNC is clearly Clinton/Dean/Edwards.

America Alone: The Neo-Conservatives and the Global Order

Republican leaders, once characterized as having "humble" views on America’s role in the world, have adopted a new foreign policy characterized by attempts to democratize the Middle East. In their book, Jonathan Clarke and Stefan Halper argue that the Bush administration has jettisoned traditional foreign policy concepts such as deterrence and balances of power. In their place, the administration has accepted radical conceptions of the capabilities of American military power and of America’s overall role in the world. The authors claim that a neo-conservative grand strategy threatens to undermine the war against terrorist groups like Al Qaeda, and to degrade America’s credibility, legitimacy, and effectiveness as a global leader.

GOP should terminate the Christian right=The Hill.com=

It is about time that the Republican Party realizes that the Christian right is doing to it exactly what the radical black Rainbow Coalition of Jesse Jackson did to the Democratic Party in the ’80s — making them unelectable. Their embrace is the kiss of death. It is not that the religious right is wrong. Right or wrong, it gets in the way of so much good that the Republican Party could achieve if it were not in the Christian right’s grasp.

Will the Republican Party escape from the embrace of the pro-lifers so that it can nominate candidates like Rudy Giuliani, Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice?

Abandonment Of Gop Conservatives... May Cost Bush The Election

But in a repeat of the 2000 GOP National Convention in which the President’s theme was his pledge to form a new Republican Party that was more liberal and "inclusive" in outlook, Convention planners have stacked the convention with a lineup of what Phyllis Schlafly, the leader of the pro-life Eagle Forum, called "aggressively pro-abortion speakers." Among these are liberal GOP ideologues such as former NY Mayor Rudy Guliani, Republican National Committee Finance Director Lewis M. Eisenberg CA Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger, NY Governor George Pataki and ultraliberal New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg who has openly supported the right of anti-Bush protesters to attempt to disrupt the GOP convention and embarrass the President.

For all the words spent on this article, I saw nothing about terrorism. Iraq WAS and IS a part of the War on Terrorists. 9/11 was not a aberration. It awaits us daily. Beslan wasn't a fluke. This too can happen here. I'd rather die trying in Iraq than Anytown, USA.

Whatever the case, the neocon movement has traveled a long way indeed: from historical roots in the anti-Stalinist left to the Henry "Scoop" Jackson wing of the Democratic Party and then, for many, on to become Reagan Republicans.

GOD BLESS ALL OF THE ABOVE! I love anti-stalinists, Scoop Jacksonites and Reagan Republicans. Indeed I do.

Too bad I can't be a neo-conservative now because I'm not a JEW. That's what they mean by neo-conservative: a non-liberal, non ACLU commie, JEW. J_E_W_S. Decendants of Abraham that are not Arabs. Line of Isaac, and Jacob, and The Twelve Tribes. Yup, I got the picture.

Besides everyone knows that the EVIL Dick Cheney runs everything.

Cheney: Neocons? Don't make me run you fools over!

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Citizen Smash discusses Realists vs. Neocons

Anyone who uses "neocon" critically may as well be saying "yid". From Victor Davis Hanson in the National Review: "face the ugly fact: "Neocon" is now a slur for "Jew."

The neocons are no more aggressive than JFK was in his anticommunist stance. Reagan was right in calling the USSR an Evil Empire (ask any Soviet gulag member or Eastern European under the age of 45).

Best case is that GWB chases the WMDs into Baathist Syria where I predict they've been since Russia/France/Germany stalled for time to hide their Food-for-Oil perfidy which enriched Kofi Annan's son.

Santayana said that those who don't learn from history are condemned to repeat it. This is the late 1930's, replayed, and neither isolationism (Pat Buchanan as his nazi-sympathizing father before him) nor patiently waiting for another deadly blow will work. Imagine if we had smashed Germany after they had taken Poland and Czechoslovakia instead of waiting to join the war after they were much stronger at the end of 1941.

Diplomacy (an invention of French aristocrats) and the Saudi-bribed gone-native State Department are history's villains, not its heroes.

And re W's "mistakes", I'm certain you could play the videotape of D-Day and ANY OTHER MAJOR CAMPAIGN and see an equal or greater number of mistakes. While one can aim a shotgun at a target and predicting the target's demise, it is impossible to predict the trajectory of each pellet. Clear aim does not equal perfect precision for a complex war. More Hanson:

"How weird is our way of war! When we embrace Clintonian bombing — in Kosovo, Serbia, or in Iraq — and kill thousands, America sleeps: few of our guys killed, so who cares how many of theirs? Out of sight, out of mind. Yet when we take the trouble to sort out the messy moral calculus and go in on the ground shooting and getting shot, then suddenly the Left cries war crimes and worse — so strong is this Western disease of wishing to be perfect rather than merely good. Such is the self-induced burden for all those who would be gods rather than mere mortals."

You cannot like Reagan's foreign policy and not like neocons... unless you are an antisemite. I don't toss around that epithet lightly but I've clearly established that disproportionate criticism is a clear indicator of prejudice.

Go listen to Buchanan.

William F. Buckley's credentials as a conservative are unimpeachable and he couldn't defend Buchanan from the charge of antisemite.

America's pre-eminent military historian, Victor Davis Hanson, is pretty clear on this, as reported earlier here on Free Republic:

Neoconservatives? Let us be frank. This appellation is no longer a descriptive term of so-called "new conservatives," those members of the eastern intelligentsia who were rather liberal on some domestic hot-button issues (tolerant of open borders, quiet about abortion, indifferent to gay marriage, etc.), but promoted a proactive neo-Wilsonian idealism in foreign policy (whether in the Balkans in taking out Milosevic or in trying to replace Saddam Hussein with democracy rather than a Shah-like proconsul). Instead, face the ugly fact: "Neocon" is now a slur for "Jew." General Zinni (who once boasted that 600 to 2,000 Iraqis were eliminated from the air in his Operation Desert Fox bombing campaign) is now ubiquitous on television hawking his new book, criticizing the war (on Memorial Day, no less), and being praised in the Arab news as he talks about "Perle, Wolfowitz, and Feith" and all those who purportedly got us into Iraq. "Cabal" and "Nazi-like" are also used by others and with increasing frequency to promote the old idea of crafty, sneaky people pulling the wool over honest naifs (no doubt aw-shucks, unsophisticated folks such as Cheney, Rumsfeld, Powell, and Rice). A shameful Senator Hollings has no apologies for claiming that our policy was misdirected for Israel's sake. Even a saucer-eyed Al Gore got into the spirit of things. Recently he screamed out the names of those who must walk his plank, and went into an exorcist-like trance when his vein-bulging, spinning-head got to spitting out the name "Woolfwoootizzzzz." If there was advice from a "bloc" of so-called neoconservatives, it has not "failed," but is in fact already working even as we caricature it: We've taken out Saddam; we are on the eve of a transition to an autonomous reform government; and we are shooting the enemy 7,000 miles away, rather than being murdered at Ground Zero. And, by any historical standard, we are fighting in both an economical and humane fashion.

To hell with them. It's time we act like the big boys we are. We don't want to run the world but we no longer will look to old Europe for leadership, nor hope we can talk our way to peace. Get on board or get your rear run over.

Pax Americana

Richard Lugar (chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee), Lindsey Graham, John McCain, and Lincoln Chafee....Chuck Hagel

Any article that describes these men as "Conservatives" and even considers the rancid opinions of Saudi-stooges Norquist and Eagleberger, is not fit even to wipe one's behind with.

Yet another of your bash-Republicans, critical of President Bush, divide-the-right articles....

You just joined recently in the midst of a critical election and post a great many of these. Pardon me if I doubt your integrity, integrity, integrity...

I don't see it. The author exaggerates. Neocons are most concerned with foreign policy. Indeed, the neocon label has come to mean "Iraq hawk." And for the time being they have most of the Republicans behind them. That may change. Republicans and others may come to feel that the neocons have gone too far, and power will return to less ideologically committed, more "realistic" thinkers and policy makers. It's far, far less likely that determined isolationists will take over the party any time soon. In any event, the change is something Republicans can easily manage if they care to.

On domestic affairs, things will surely shift, but which way? They'll be a move away from "big government" conservatism, and probably a few steps back from the evangelical attitudes of the Bush Administration. But what does that add up to, a move to the left, or to the right, or just sideways? Maybe it will just be a turn from committed ideologists towards more managerial/pragmatic types or towards a more restrained, mainstream or Main Street view of politics. But that would be balanced by a renewed emphasis on cutting spending and getting serious about issues that the administration has ignored, so the result will likely be a shift in the mix, rather than a jarring lurch to the right or the left. In any event, barring a catastrophic loss at the polls, Republicans will be able to manage their internal conflicts.

I just checked the Electoral Vote tracker at the LA Times - Bush 296; Kerry 206 with PA and NJ dead even. You can stick your fork in Kerry, he's done, as they say.

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The neo-Conservatives don't really care, do they? They've made it known that they'll flock pretty merrily to the Dems, if the Dems can put forth a decent Interventionist candidate.

They don't seem to be married to many of the Conservative core principles. They believe in government intervention both abroad and at home, much more so than traditional Conservatives. President Bush does too, as far as I can tell. I'm voting for him because there's no alternative, but this Iraq invasion has yet to be sorted out. I supported it, and with ease. That won't happen so easily the next time he or anyone else bangs the drums of war.

The neo-Conservatives may have undue influence, who knows, but President Bush is his own man, and if one doesn't like the direction the Country is taking, then the person to blame for that (and, logically vote out of office) is the President, not those trying to bend his ear toward this policy or that policy. They have just as much right to try to bring their philosophy to bear as any other influential group has ever done, or will do in the future.

BTW, the link on cognitive disonance that you posted on a thread earlier this week was fascinating.

Sen. Chuck Hagel of Nebraska, a possible presidential candidate in 2008

For which party? Hagel is a traitoress blowhard.

Yet another stupid article about "neoconservatives" which has practically replaces the term "soccer moms" in it's irrelevance.

Here's a language primer: scratch very far beneath the veneer of those one finds ranting against "neo-cons," and you'll usually find that what they REALLY mean when they say "neo-con" is "Jew." It's as simple as that.

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