[Polybius]

FYI

[mattdono]

Bump for reference

[SmithL]

Hours before the election, Kerry will sign his form 180 and prove us all wrong.

Yeah, right.

[SteveMcKing]

I find it interesting to guess that SEVERAL PEOPLE must have had direct dealings with his discharge, if only office workers and administrative staff. Wouldn't the officers at his hearing know what the real gossip is? Or would they be breaking the law just talking about it?

[Petronski]

What SECNAVINST regarding this issue was in effect at the time in question? Was this one in effect then?

And BTW, what IS the time in question? Late seventies? Or am I confused?

[Mike Fieschko]

The link to SECNAVINST 5420.174C opens a document dated 22 August 1984.

How would this be relevant to Kerry's 1970 separation, his 1970s reserve status, and his 1978 discharge?

Perhaps the folks digging through the DRB files from that time will locate something else.

[kitkat]

BUMP

[tomnbeverly]

I would love Kerry to try and explain this away.... Well I'm John Kerry and that stuff shouldn't matter...blah./..blah... blah... Post this on DU... See what they say...

I would start getting all the Demoheads on the record of the well what if it is determined that John Kerry received an other than honorable discharge from the military.. Would you still be supporting his candidacy?

[UCANSEE2]

Someone on another thread posted that Kerry was (and this in uninvestigated, and unproven) given the DIS DISCHARGE because he married a vietnamese woman while over there who turned out to be a viet cong spy.

Have you heard anything about this? Or is it pure b.s.?

[tuesday afternoon]

Bump.

[boxerblues]

bttt

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[deport]

Then why does this Navy document refer to his "Honorable Discharge Certificate" and dated Feb. 16, 1978? It indicates an Honorable discharge although the DD214 hasn't been produced for viewing..... http://www.johnkerry.com/pdf/jkmilservice/Honorable_Discharge_From_Reserve.pdf

His other two DD214s dated 15-12-66 and 03-01-70 are available here: http://www.johnkerry.com/pdf/jkmilservice/DD214.pdf

[FulshearTex]

Does this sum it up?

Kerry: "I received a dishonorable discharge before I received an honorable discharge."

[unspun]

ping

[Mia T]

bump

[spycatcher]

This is why the Kerry campaign had the media focus so much on Bush being "AWOL" and a "deserter" etc. Very smart of them.

Attn Mr Koppel: "You've been had, Ted"

[AndyJackson]

Until now, it has been the conventional wisdom of former military Freepers, including myself, that any misconduct committed by John Kerry while a civilian in an inactive duty status while still a member of the U.S. Naval Reserves would have had no impact on his discharge status.

Wrong. It was conventional wisdom here on FR that he was not subject to the UCMJ while in civilian status. His discharge status is a different sort of administrative proceding.

[dilpo]

I have posted this on a couple of previous threads in the last few months but will do so again.

First: The actual Navy Honorable Discharge Certificate issued at the time when all duty including reserve obligation was completed was a DD256N. The DD214 is a form issued at the time of separation from active duty.

Second:

On the Kerry website is a copy of a letter notifying him of his honorable discharge. It refers toTitle 10, U.S.Code Section 1163 and says that a board of officers was convened pursuant to that statute to determine whether a reservist should be kept in the reserves. There is a DOD regulation that explains how this works. It is at 32 CFR section 100.5. At the beginning it states:

(a) Unsatisfactory participation in the Ready Reserve.

...

(3) When a member of the Selected Reserve is identified as an unsatisfactory participant and considered a possible candidate for involuntary transfer to the IRR or for discharge, a board of officers shall be convened, as required by 10 U.S.C. 1063 to consider the circumstances and recommend appropriate action.

Since this statute (10 USC 1063) is referenced in the honorable discharge letter one must assume that this regulation as it existed in 1978 was the one under which the discharge was granted. In other words he was discharged for being an unsatisfactory participant in the reserve.

Here is a link to the regulation:
http://a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/2422/14mar20010800/edocket.access.gpo.gov/cfr_2002/julqtr/pdf/32cfr100.5.pdf

[prairiebreeze]

Freepers on a roll with research today ping