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Iraqis a problem for W – in Mich
New York Daily News ^ | 10/16/04 | JAMES GORDON MEEK

Posted on 10/17/2004 2:19:22 AM PDT by conservative in nyc

In the tight race for battleground state Michigan's 17 electoral votes, President Bush's fortunes may rest in the hands of Iraqis.

These Iraqis, however, are not in Baghdad. They're 150,000 politically active immigrants clustered in suburbs of Detroit.

Iraqi-Americans make up almost a tenth of the 1.2 million residents in Oakland County, north of the city, where political analysts say Bush faces his only chance at winning the state. The discontent of the Iraqis, a Christian sect known as Chaldeans, is a huge worry for the Bush campaign.

"It is incredibly ironic," said David Bonior, the ex-Democratic House majority whip who represented Michigan for 26 years. "They're very disappointed with the President."

In 2000, Al Gore narrowly beat Bush in Michigan 51% to 46%. This year, John Kerry holds a slight edge on him in a state that is a must-win for the Democrat to secure the presidency, according to pollster John Zogby.

The Chaldeans of Oakland County are well-to-do Catholics who traditionally vote Republican, but support for the President among many has turned like the orange leaves falling on the streets.

Bush supporters worry about Republicans such as Ramadi-born dentist Shakib Halabu, 55, of Orchard Lake.

"We tried Bush and now we have chaos in Iraq," said Halabu, who fears for the safety of Iraq's Christian minority. Just yesterday, five Baghdad churches were bombed in a string of predawn attacks. No injuries were reported. Similar bombings two months ago left 11 dead. "I would rather try somebody else who might make it better." Chaldean leader Adhid Miri, 55, backs Bush but is inundated with calls from Iraqis worried about kidnapped relatives.

"Many of my Republican friends say they're not voting for Bush again," Miri said. "Chaldeans are not in his pocket."

Beyond the Chaldeans, Oakland County's most contested precincts are working and middle-class white neighborhoods where most blocks have as many lawn signs for Kerry as for Bush.

All the candidates on the national tickets have campaigned here in recent weeks. Even households are split over the choice, said Kristina Andreski, 14, as she knocked on neighbors' doors in Royal Oak to charm them into backing Kerry.

On Hawthorn Ave., Henry Vasquez, 38, said he's voting for Kerry because he opposes the war - but his wife backs Bush.

"I'll never vote for Kerry," bellowed veteran David Parr, 70, from his doorway. "He's a flip-flopper, and he lied about Vietnam."

Bush still has major Oakland allies, such as Yahya Basha, a Syrian-born doctor with close ties to the White House, who says the war and FBI scrutiny of Muslims are tough issues for the President to overcome. "My support for Bush is 100%, but I have more to answer for in the Muslim community now," said Basha, a Sunni Muslim.

Though Arab and Muslim-Americans are only 1.2% of Michigan voters, they are an organized and powerful constituency. Their symbolic center is Dearborn, west of Detroit, where 76% backed Bush four years ago. Recent Zogby polling show most now blame him for what they consider the excesses of the Patriot Act, the worsening Arab-Israeli conflict and Iraq insecurity.

Among Sunnis, who adhere to the same branch of Islam as Osama Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein, ceaseless visits by nosy FBI agents have alienated voters.

"After 9/11, they suspected every Muslim-American," said influential cleric Mohamad Mardini, as he drew five FBI agents' business cards from his wallet and spread them across a table in one of Dearborn's Arab cafes.

"I voted for Bush, but now Muslims are not supporting him at all," Mardini said.

A Shiite leader in Dearborn, Imam Hassan Qazwini, 40, once strongly supported Bush and attended a private meeting with Vice President Cheney last month during a campaign stop. Asked whether Cheney was able to woo him back, the bearded and black-turbaned Iraqi smiled coolly and said, "He was gracious."

Around the corner at the Karbalaa mosque, Imam Husham Al-Husainy, 50 - a confidant of Iraq's Shiite leader Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani - also was a Bush man in 2000, who now "leans toward Kerry."

"There is sadness and bitterness here - the liberation of Iraq has died," said the Iraqi.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: arabvote; bush; georgewbush; iraqiamericans; iraqivote; michigan; napalminthemorning; nyddailynews; presidentbush; wot
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1 posted on 10/17/2004 2:19:23 AM PDT by conservative in nyc
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To: conservative in nyc

Screw the Chaldeans and Muslims and the camels the rode in on.


2 posted on 10/17/2004 2:22:11 AM PDT by TomasUSMC
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To: conservative in nyc

"There is sadness and bitterness here - the liberation of Iraq has died," said the Iraqi.

How about getting your sorry butt over there to do something about it like I did, you coward.


3 posted on 10/17/2004 2:27:28 AM PDT by M1911A1
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To: conservative in nyc

These people need to stop bitching. They could be interned ala the Japanese during WWII. I don't think they voted either.


4 posted on 10/17/2004 2:30:34 AM PDT by Lion Den Dan
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To: conservative in nyc

Saddam Hussein murdered hundreds of thousands of his own people in Iraq. Cold blooded murder. Bush liberated Iraq from this butcher.


5 posted on 10/17/2004 2:31:45 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: conservative in nyc

6 posted on 10/17/2004 2:31:53 AM PDT by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: conservative in nyc
"We tried Bush and now we have chaos in Iraq," said Halabu, who fears for the safety of Iraq's Christian minority

Is there some genetic predisposition in the Arabic mind to be complete idiots? We liberated their country for them. Most of them are no doubt in the US because they were terrified of Saddam. It's like the Jews saying "Well, thanks for liberating those concentration camps, but did you have to make such a damn mess of the countryside to get there?"

7 posted on 10/17/2004 2:32:06 AM PDT by Casloy
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To: TomasUSMC

We can't win with these people.

We were right to save Kuwait, but we were wrong to do so with such force.

We were right to confront Saddam, but we were wrong to drop so many bombs.

We were right to topple Saddam's regime, but we were wrong to allow all that horrible looting.

We were right to lock up Saddam's thugs, but we were terrorists when we put panties on some of their heads.

We were right to liberate Iraqis, but we're to blame whenever a liberated Iraqi is kidnapped by a terrorist.

Michigan's hypocritical Arab whiners can go to hell. Michigan is no longer a battleground in my mind, and Bush is silly if he visits there again between now and Nov. 2nd (unless a respected poll all of a sudden shows him leading).

If I'm Bush's travel agent, I have him in Ohio, Florida, Oregon, Nevada, New Mexico, Wisconsin, Iowa, Minnesota, New Hampshire, West Virginia, and maybe Arkansas, Colorado, New Jersey and Pennsylvania (depending on future polling).


8 posted on 10/17/2004 2:33:24 AM PDT by billclintonwillrotinhell
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To: billorites

I have a chicken and egg question. Do fanatic liberals become ugly after they become liberals or is ugliness the reason they become liberals. That is one scary looking group. The one on the left looks like the Hunchback of Notre Dame.


9 posted on 10/17/2004 2:34:55 AM PDT by Casloy
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To: conservative in nyc

Now this is interesting. These people should be employed in aiding of the cause. They should be given jobs to assist the news effort in free Iraq. They should be named special diplomats. They have language, interests and expertise at living free. They might be very good at explaining how freedom works by hosting a blog for Iraqis that originates right here in the good ol' usofa


10 posted on 10/17/2004 2:34:56 AM PDT by allenconsult
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To: billorites

Ugh! Not a looker among'em.


11 posted on 10/17/2004 2:35:36 AM PDT by billclintonwillrotinhell
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To: Casloy
Their sign should say: "We are so sorry we made you look at this picture"
12 posted on 10/17/2004 2:38:49 AM PDT by billclintonwillrotinhell
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To: M1911A1
"There is sadness and bitterness here - the liberation of Iraq has died," said the Iraqi.

How about getting your sorry butt over there to do something about it like I did, you coward.

Where would the world be without Americans like you!?! Thanks so much for your service. Too bad the idiot Iraqi in the story doesn't have enough brains to figure out that he should thank President Bush and people like you.

13 posted on 10/17/2004 2:44:33 AM PDT by beaversmom (Michael Medved has the Greatest radio show on GOD's Green Earth)
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To: billorites


They are sorry. Sorriest bunch of inbred losers I have ever seen in my life. I'm sure the liberated Iraqis will be impressed.


14 posted on 10/17/2004 2:45:13 AM PDT by LiberalBassTurds (Democrats: The blind leading the stupid enabling the evil.)
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To: billclintonwillrotinhell

The one behind the poster looks like how I would imagine Amy Carter to look about now.


15 posted on 10/17/2004 2:46:04 AM PDT by beaversmom (Michael Medved has the Greatest radio show on GOD's Green Earth)
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To: billorites
I wonder if any of these morons were "so sorry" while Saddam and sons were murdering Iraqis wholesale?

I have a mental image of these a**clowns kneeling in front of some jihadists while wearing the orange jumpsuit and waiting for the knife to start sawing...."So sorry"
16 posted on 10/17/2004 2:48:42 AM PDT by M1911A1
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To: beaversmom
The one behind the poster looks like how I would imagine Amy Carter to look about now.

You mean that's a woman!? I just assumed it was some 40-something biker dude wearin' the hair long.

17 posted on 10/17/2004 2:53:29 AM PDT by billclintonwillrotinhell
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To: billclintonwillrotinhell

Is the fat broad in the blue shirt and glasses Janet Reno? I wondered what happened to her.


18 posted on 10/17/2004 2:57:30 AM PDT by WestVirginiaRebel (John Kerry-for every decision, an equal and opposite indecision.)
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To: billclintonwillrotinhell

Well you could be right--might be a dude.


19 posted on 10/17/2004 2:59:09 AM PDT by beaversmom (Michael Medved has the Greatest radio show on GOD's Green Earth)
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To: WestVirginiaRebel
Is the fat broad in the blue shirt and glasses Janet Reno?

No. If it was, she'd be shaking and her image in the photo would be bluuurrrrry. Also, I don't see any Waco blood on her hands, so it couldn't be her.

20 posted on 10/17/2004 3:04:28 AM PDT by billclintonwillrotinhell
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