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To: eleni121; kosta50
"As for Clinton/Holbrooke/Albright and Yugoslavia v Communist machine...because that is what it was...not Serbia and not Orthodox, - that was an aberration that would not have ocurred if the Republicans had been in the WH I think."

Well, that's not what the Serbs, or the rest of the Orthodox world for that matter, thinks. I was in Greece during that war. Anti-Americanism has been sort of a hobby with the Greeks ever since Kissinger gave the nod to the Turks to take No. Cyprus and turn our churches there into stables and public urinals. And two decades of PASOK didn't help either. But I had never seen anything like what I saw there during Holy Week, Pascha and the week after that year. To this very day, Serbia is hobbled economically because its infrastructure was completely destroyed. To this day the Mohammedans in Kosovo attack and loot churches. What are people supposed to think? That its all about politics and that makes it OK?

"But I cannot see how such an all out aggression could solve the sickness of islam...do you kill the patient or do you try to salvage him?"

How did we solve the sickness of Nazism? Frankly, knowing what hundreds of years under the Mohammedans did to the Balkans while the West just sat by, I'm rather more concerned about us than any "sickness" those people might suffer from.
25 posted on 10/16/2004 4:28:06 PM PDT by Kolokotronis (Nuke the Cube!)
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To: Kolokotronis; eleni121; Destro; FormerLib; MarMema
Yugoslavia is a bygone. Except for Kosovo, which is only a matter of when and not if, and eventually Voyvodina, there is nothing else to parcel out. This Administration continued the policy of the Clinton Administration in the Balkans. It will not bring lasting peace. Rather it will eventually backfire and destabilize the Balkans again, because it is repeating the same failed pattern of other empires.

But that's not where the spears will break. Serbs are a small nation of 12 million people, one third of whom are scattered in various newly formed countries in the region. We are looking at one billion Muslims in the world. Unlike Christianity, Islam is growing because it appeals to basic human desires veiled in a slave-like mentality of being a "tool" in God's hands.

The real problem, which no one is willing to admit and which most can't even see, is our policy vis-a-vis Israel, a country that has enjoyed our repeated UNSC vetoes, and is in violation of over 60 passed UNSC resolutions. It's own independence, proclaimed in violation a UN resolution but supported by the US unilaterally, sparked the Arab-Israeli conflict that has been going on for over 50 years and is engulfing the world in an all-out jihad.

The bombings of the churches in Baghdad are only an indication that our presence in Iraq is seen as a Crusade, and I don't have to tell you that behind that Crusade most Muslims see Israel pulling the strings. They see us as Israel's convenient cannot futter, willing to die so Israel can live. As far as they are concerned, it's a Judeo-Christian alliance dedicated to dominate the Muslim world, an our Evangelical zealots are the food for that view.

You may not agree, I really don't care if you do or not, but this is the impression hundreds of millions of Muslims (and growing by the day) have and they believe it. We have been unable to force, buy or decree peace in the Middle East. We have bought several regimes whose life expectancy is not guaranteed -- the Hashemite kingdom of Jordan and Egypt. That did not stop the conflict, nor did it stop it from spreading. Today may be too late to stop the jihad, even if the Palestinian-Israeli conflict is solved (by some miracle, of course). I honestly believe that the American people are not being told the truth about why we are targetted by Islam, as the American people were not told about the real reasons to go to war in Iraq (although the reasons were shown to be dubious right from the start -- that is if you if you don't get your news from Fox & Retards, and don't fall for the folly of believeing everything the politicians say). Neither this nor any other Administration will spill the beans.

Fighting terrorism is one thing. Fighting one billion Muslims is an altogether different story. We are not preventing fires; we are desperately trying to do damage control. If we are safer today, think about it next time you are pumping gas.

27 posted on 10/16/2004 7:05:01 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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