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Should a Catholic Vote for Bush or Kerry
CatholicExchange.com ^ | 10-15-04 | Craig E. Richardson

Posted on 10/15/2004 8:36:54 PM PDT by Salvation

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To: Salvation
(A Catholic should vote their conscience.): Bush
81 posted on 10/15/2004 9:41:23 PM PDT by Petronski (I'm not always cranky.)
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To: Aliska

**I've met women in therapy who have chronic conditions that go on disability, the root cause being an abortion they can't undo. What percentage overall that constitutes I don't have any numbers for.**

This is so sad. Abortion is the root cause for all their ills.............


82 posted on 10/15/2004 9:41:44 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Aliska

I guess I should have said: Having an abortion is the root cause for all their ills.............


83 posted on 10/15/2004 9:42:33 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: AgentEcho
Abortion clinics are an industry --- little killing factories, if you will. The way I understand it is that the stem cell research that is so controversial is that which uses stem cells from aborted fetuses or even intentionally created zygotes from which stem cells are HARVESTED, making the unborn humans just part of the, um..."production" line. (I just noticed the irony in my analogy.)

Way too Soylent Green for me, and definitely unethical when adult stem cells can evidently be used to perform the same experiments.

84 posted on 10/15/2004 9:44:04 PM PDT by arasina (So there.)
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To: Salvation
It is hard for me to fathom ANY Christian voting for sKerry. He and his ilk are determined to remove any and all forms for God from this country.

They love seeing the immorality and absence of God from Europe and seek to remove it here as well. They know without God, there is no true freedom.
85 posted on 10/15/2004 9:44:11 PM PDT by BoBToMatoE
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To: sinkspur

I don't even think Kerry IS a Catholic. I mean the man pretended he was Irish, until he was called on it.

I'm objecting to people questioning how Catholics vote.

People vote for MANY different reasons.

My main concerns when I peruse a ballot is to see who will best benefit me fiscally! So, I guess THAT makes ME a bad Catholic.


86 posted on 10/15/2004 9:44:27 PM PDT by Happygal (liberalism - a narrow tribal outlook largely founded on class prejudice)
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To: Salvation
From the Catholic National Register

Bush vs. Kerry: The Conscience Issues

http://www.ncregister.com/current/0912lead1.htm

Sept. 12-18, 2004

Using Church documents, Catholic Answers has written a guide citing "Five Non-Negotiable Issues" for Catholic voters.

"These five current issues concern actions that are intrinsically evil and must never be promoted by the law," says the guide. We used the guide as a starting point to compare each candidate’s positions.

1. Abortion

The Church teaches that, regarding a law permitting abortions, it is "never licit to obey it, or to take part in a propaganda campaign in favor of such a law, or to vote for it" (Evangelium Vitae, The Gospel of Life, No. 73).

President Bush signed into law the partial-birth abortion ban and the Unborn Victims of Violence Act and nominated several pro-life judges to the federal bench. He mentioned the importance of protecting the unborn in his convention speech.

Democratic challenger Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts has voted at least six times to keep partial-birth abortion legal. He voted against the Unborn Victims of Violence Act. He voted at least 25 times in favor of using taxpayer dollars to pay for abortions. Kerry has vowed to keep pro-lifers out of judgeships — and the Supreme Court.

2. Euthanasia

"In euthanasia, the ill or elderly are killed, by action or omission, out of a misplaced sense of compassion, but true compassion cannot include intentionally doing something intrinsically evil to another person" (Evangelium Vitae, No. 73).

President Bush’s justice department challenged Oregon’s assisted-suicide law in court.

John Kerry says he is personally opposed to assisted suicide but won’t challenge Oregon or any other state’s assisted-suicide laws.

3. Embryonic Stem-Cell Research

Human embryos are new lives from conception to eight weeks, with their own DNA, sex, life-expectancy — and right to life. "Respect for the dignity of the human being excludes all experimental manipulation or exploitation of the human embryo" (Pontifical Council for the Family, Charter of the Rights of the Family, No. 4). Recent scientific advances show that medical treatments that researchers hope to develop from experimentation on embryonic stem cells backfire in frightening ways. At the same time, effective treatments have been developed by using morally obtained adult stem cells instead.

President Bush’s embryonic stem-cell decision in August 2001 was criticized by many pro-life groups and praised by others. First Lady Laura Bush spoke at the GOP convention about the importance of respecting human life in stem-cell research.

John Kerry says he will end Bush’s block on funding embryonic stem-cell research. Ron Reagan Jr. spoke at the Democratic convention in favor of embryonic stem-cell research.

4. Human Cloning

"Attempts … for obtaining a human being without any connection with sexuality through ‘twin fission,’ cloning or parthenogenesis are to be considered contrary to the moral law, since they are in opposition to the dignity both of human procreation and of the conjugal union" (Charter of the Rights of the Family, No. I:6). Human cloning also involves abortion because the "rejected" or "unsuccessful" embryonic clones are destroyed, yet each clone is a human being.

President Bush has called human cloning "morally wrong" and called for a ban on all human cloning.

John Kerry voted against a ban on human cloning, and in 2004, he sponsored his own bill to make human cloning legal.

5. Homosexual "Marriage"

"When legislation in favor of the recognition of homosexual unions is proposed for the first time in a legislative assembly, the Catholic lawmaker has a moral duty to express his opposition clearly and publicly and to vote against it. To vote in favor of a law so harmful to the common good is gravely immoral" (Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Considerations Regarding Proposals to Give Legal Recognition to Unions between Homosexual Persons, No. 10).

President Bush supports a constitutional amendment defining marriage as between a man and a woman.

Sen. Kerry voted against the Defense of Marriage Act in the Senate and wouldn’t vote to even allow a debate on the federal marriage amendment.

87 posted on 10/15/2004 9:45:07 PM PDT by 4woodenboats (John Kerry - ready to do his "doodie" to his country yet again!)
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To: clee1

Not only is he violating the Church's teachings, he is going against the will of God.


88 posted on 10/15/2004 9:46:01 PM PDT by excalibur21
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To: Salvation
Having an abortion is the root cause for all their ills

For some. I have no idea how many.

89 posted on 10/15/2004 9:46:26 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: AgentEcho

Your argument is fine enough as it stands, but it will eventually create a market for such tissue, and thus a market for 'unpersons.'

(At this point, a cringe in disgust and fear would be appropriate.)


90 posted on 10/15/2004 9:47:13 PM PDT by Petronski (I'm not always cranky.)
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To: Salvation
Should a Catholic Vote for Bush or Kerry?

Yes, a Catholic should vote for Bush or Kerry. Unless he votes for Nader, or abstains.
91 posted on 10/15/2004 9:48:06 PM PDT by freakboy
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To: Salvation
Father Langan, the Cardinal Bernardin Chair of Catholic Social Thought at Georgetown

I can find two faults with this statement. Who else can point them out?

92 posted on 10/15/2004 9:48:15 PM PDT by Petronski (I'm not always cranky.)
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To: 4woodenboats

Thank you for that article.


93 posted on 10/15/2004 9:48:22 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Happygal
My main concerns when I peruse a ballot is to see who will best benefit me fiscally! So, I guess THAT makes ME a bad Catholic.

Well, while fiscal considerations are important, the protection of human life is paramount. There is simply no question about that, in Church doctrine.

94 posted on 10/15/2004 9:48:59 PM PDT by sinkspur ("I swim with the alligators in the fevered swamps of traditionalism. " Cardinal Fanfani)
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To: freakboy

Always a smart aleck -- I forgot the question mark in the title.

Make a choice.


95 posted on 10/15/2004 9:49:37 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation

Bush

Anyone that claims a relationship with Christ and votes for sKerry is sorely self-deceived...


96 posted on 10/15/2004 9:49:41 PM PDT by ApesForEvolution (You will NEVER convince me that Muhammadanism isn't a veil for MASS MURDERS. Save your time...)
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To: Petronski

I don't know about the Father Langan, but I winced when I saw the Bernardin mentioning. Is the other mistake Georgtown?


97 posted on 10/15/2004 9:50:45 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: ApesForEvolution

You got it! Thanks! (And I know the President thank you too.)


98 posted on 10/15/2004 9:51:48 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Blue Collar Christian

Here it is:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1240394/posts


99 posted on 10/15/2004 9:53:45 PM PDT by Blue Collar Christian (Drivers of SUVs without brush scratches should be horsewhipped! ><BCC>)
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To: Happygal
Let me give you a scenario.. Would you vote for a candidate who was pro-life, but also pro-slavery? What would a Catholic do in this instance? The Bible clearly speaks against murder (abortion) but, it states that slaves should obey their masters. I have not read where the Bible condemns slavery but I haven't read where it encourages it either. It appears that, according to God's word, life takes precident.
100 posted on 10/15/2004 9:54:27 PM PDT by excalibur21
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