Posted on 10/15/2004 8:36:54 PM PDT by Salvation
Like I said. A Catholic should vote by THEIR own conscience.
There are arguments against both candidates, as regards Catholic dogma, on policies they purport and decisions they have made.
It depends on what you mean by 'countenanced'.
-A8
I can't find the link right now, but the Pope came out supporting what is happening in Iraq now.
Really?
I must have missed that one.
When you find the link, send it to me.
I've not seen it reported anywhere.
There is nothing in Catholic dogma that opposes the war in Iraq. Catholic dogma is quite clear on abortion, on the use of embryonic stem cells, and on gay marriage.
No Catholic can, in good conscience when informed of the facts and the positions of each candidate, vote for John Kerry.
It is very interesting that in the paragraph: "Valedez then claimed that moral theology is not stagnant nor was it set in stone a couple of thousands of years ago. He argued it is wrong to believe that we have already uncovered all the moral issues facing humanity. It is rather a constant search for the truth.
On the contrary, it certainly was set in Stone ever heard of the "Ten Commandments" ?!! --- I submit to you and the person taking Kerry the Reprobates position that " Thou shalt not kill" covers this quite adequately, thank you.
I am a "Traditional Catholic" and the Novous Ordo Catholics are being led into the practice of Heresy. I attend a Traditional Catholic Church, when I can. I say Rosary everyday, sometimes in Latin. I was in a Traditional Catholic Choir at the age of nine until I was seventeen. I study my faith. Earlier in my youth I didn't and the Church I grew up in and was the rock in my life was stolen. Rome has Lost the Faith!!
No matter how Mr. Kerry or anyone else tries to twist, the Laws of God will prevail. Placing the Laws of Man before the Laws of God is a sin I would not want to answer for. This is all coverd in the OLD Testament as to the punishment for those in positions of responsibility. Once again I refer you to Liviticus. The Laws God gave us to live by.
Read the Bible, all this and more is there for us.
We have all seen the mettle of the men who are fighting for the privilege to lead our Country and take us into the future. We have all seen and should know in our hearts, where our future could be with either of these guys. So, for anyone, Catholic or otherwise, if you're still having problems in deciding who should be our president, try this.
Look into the eyes of your children or grandchildren. The answer is easy and it's right there for you to see. There are no lies there, no politics and no political commercial's. There is nothing but the innocence of youth and much of why we even exist.
You won't need to study politics or debate with your friends. You won't need to see photos of 911. You won't need to see the beheading videos. You won't need to see photos of mass graves in Baghdad. You won't need to think of the liberty that is being given to millions in the Middle East. You won't need to sort out all the lies and propaganda that our politicians and the MSM force into our daily lives. You won't need to ponder the miracles of life and birth. You won't need to read articles of how the unborn, who only want a chance to live, feel pain as their bones are broken and their skulls are crushed. You won't need to think of any of this and much, much more.
All you really need to do is look into the eyes of our children. You will know who to vote for and you will know it all the way to your soul.
Voter's Guide - on video
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for our non-Catholic bretheren.
But I have a hard time believing that the Lord (Jesus Christ) would ever, EVER condone an abortion!
I just can't imagine a plausible scenario.
BTW, did anyone ever hear that Ludwig Van Beethoven was a child of rape?
"You might also click on that Catechism link and give her the one about the grave sin of supporting abortion if she is pro-life."
Yup, she is pro-life, and I will do that.
Thank you!
**On the contrary, it certainly was set in Stone ever heard of the "Ten Commandments" ?!!**
Exactly!
**All you really need to do is look into the eyes of our children. You will know who to vote for and you will know it all the way to your soul.**
Tears in my eys with that comment. So true.
God protect us!
I wouldn't vote for John Kerry - but those aren't the sole issues why.
I must say I dislike the bullying undertones of 'You are a bad Catholic....if you don't support..etc. etc. etc.'
I go to Mass weekly, I sing in my Church, I volunteer, I'm a Minister of the Liturgy...but I dislike judgementalism.
And frankly, I honour an all loving and all forgiving God.
I think you are correct there.
A lot of social spending encourages behaviors that are detrimental to society. There is not enough emphasis on personal responsibility.
Has anyone ever mentioned that some social spending takes the form of rehabilitating substance abusers and people who suffer lifelong psychological damage for having procured one or more abortions?
Insurance companies that pay for therapy and drug rehabilitation causes a rise in employers' and individual payer premiums so we the people pay one way or the other.
I've met women in therapy who have chronic conditions that go on disability, the root cause being an abortion they can't undo. What percentage overall that constitutes I don't have any numbers for.
That's a crock about imposing your morality on others. We legislate that murder is almost always wrong. That is imposing a value judgement on society and the the good of society and protection of individuals thereof. In the case of abortion, we get around that by spin and messing with the original intent of the constitution.
Even atheistic communist nations try to curtail negative social behavior such as drug addiction and prostitution.
This is going to shock some people, but I don't know if I believe in democracy and unlimited freedom any more. I think as society deteriorates, we can no longer depend on people to make the choices that will keep us free.
I was told that 30% of people are on some kind of anti-depressants or medications for psychological reasons. That is going to require a lot of social spending, and we need to find out why. This should simply not be in a country where never before in history have people had it so good in terms of having nice things, entertainments, leisure time, wonderful food, and so much freedom.
Something has gone terribly wrong. Thank heaven we still have righteous people in the country who are not making such bad choices concerning their lives. They are the ones carrying the burden for people who care for nothing but to cause trouble and destroy their own and others' lives in a myriad of ways.
"The Passion of the Christ" was awesome, and I can't thank Mel Gibson enough for going out on a limb to make the film. It makes me laugh out loud that it made him so much richer as the non-believers in Hollywood whined. His rewards in Heaven will be ever so much greater than the money he made.
When he was on Night Line with Jane Polly(sp?), he gave her the straight up truth of a believer!
**No Catholic can, in good conscience when informed of the facts and the positions of each candidate, vote for John Kerry.**
Bingo!
I think the Vatican has flip-flopped on the war in Iraq. There was a thread on it yersterday, I'll see if I can't find it.
I din't see that, but it makes sense. Gibson doesn't mince words!
It is not judgmental to say that a man who supports partial birth abortion is violating Catholic practice.
What possible justification could be advanced for killing a full-term baby?
You may dislike it, but Kerry is a bad Catholic and a horrible example for Catholics. I cringe when he mentions that he's a Catholic.
Bush is a better Catholic (though he's Methodist) than Kerry is.
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