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Yellowstone Snowmobile Ban Struck Down
KSL Channel 5 TV ^ | 10/15/2004 | unknown

Posted on 10/15/2004 5:28:31 PM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity

CHEYENNE, Wyo. (AP) -- A federal judge on Friday struck down a ban on snowmobiles in Yellowstone and Grand Teton national parks, calling it a "prejudged, political" move that sought to exclude the vehicles from all national parks.

U.S. District Judge Clarence Brimmer ruled that the Clinton-era ban was invalid because it did not involve adequate public participation and failed to follow federal law. His decision could clear the way for new rules that allow the machines.

The rule was "the product of a prejudged, political decision to ban snowmobiles from all the national parks," Brimmer wrote.

The National Park Service was expected to issue new snowmobile rules next month in time for the winter recreation season.

Gov. Dave Freudenthal praised the judge's decision, saying it recognized "the fundamentally unfair nature of the ban and ensured that citizens will get to see their national park."

Attorneys for snowmobile manufacturers, winter resorts and other tourism-related ventures asked Brimmer last month to permanently lift the ban so businesses could have peace of mind about their survival.

The ban, adopted during the Clinton administration and set to take effect last winter, was set aside in early 2003 by the park service to settle a lawsuit filed by snowmobile makers. Under the agreement, new rules were drafted to allow a limited number of snowmobiles inside the parks.

Brimmer's Washington colleague, U.S. District Judge Emmet Sullivan, later overturned the regulations and ordered the ban to begin this year. Brimmer set aside Sullivan's decision in February.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Wyoming
KEYWORDS: enviralists; environment; freudenthal; grandteton; greenies; nancyboys; nationalparks; snowmobiles; treehuggers; yellowstone
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The enviralists have been trying to shut down snowmobiling in northwest Wyoming for 25 years on the grounds of noise (wahh, they're going to disturb the buffalo and elk that have thousands of square miles to scatter to where the snowmobiles can't go) and pollution (which is infinitesimal, the air pollution indexes can't even get a reading). The ban was put in place by Klinton, who was probably well bribed to do it.
1 posted on 10/15/2004 5:28:32 PM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

Well, I'm a thousand miles away and have never ridden a snowmobile in my life (hate the things), but I still have to say...

Thank you God.


Many a small business will be saved if this ruling stands.


2 posted on 10/15/2004 5:30:01 PM PDT by Petronski (I'm not always cranky.)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

They ~are~ noisy, and the last thing I want to hear in the wilderness... Only thing louder and more annoying are ORVs and dirt bikes.

~smiles~

But that's just me.


3 posted on 10/15/2004 5:31:17 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog (<<<loves her hubbit and the horse he rode in on :~D)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

"a "prejudged, political" move that sought to exclude the vehicles from all national parks."
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Many of us remember this type of authoritarian leftist scenario was very common during the time that Clinton held the USA hostage...government land grabs, restricting access and spending taxpayer dollars to buy up land for government ownership, without access to the people that really own it....I am sure this judge is NOT A LEFTIST ACTIVIST STOOGE...


4 posted on 10/15/2004 5:34:06 PM PDT by EagleUSA (wh)
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To: HairOfTheDog
I gotta stop reading these post titles too quickly. My eyes saw Yellowstone Snowmobile Ban Struck Down before I realized what the real title was.
5 posted on 10/15/2004 5:34:16 PM PDT by CatOwner
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

Huzzah!

I heard this this morning.

I hope to get up there one winter for a trip. get a cabin and snomobile. Its Freekin cold but I want to see geyser basin in winter.

All the wildlife moves in to take advantage of the heat from the geysers


6 posted on 10/15/2004 5:34:43 PM PDT by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

2 strokes rule!
I love my Polaris


7 posted on 10/15/2004 5:34:53 PM PDT by nascarnation
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To: CatOwner

ROTFL! No that will be a totally different case ;~D


8 posted on 10/15/2004 5:35:31 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog (<<<loves her hubbit and the horse he rode in on :~D)
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To: HairOfTheDog

President Bush wants to limit it to 4 stroke snomobiles vice the old 2 stroke noisemakers.

4 strokes are no louder than a car


10 posted on 10/15/2004 5:36:31 PM PDT by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
This Ruling SUCKS.

Yellow Stone and Grand Teton are National Treasures and should be preserved at ALL costs.

I surely don't want to see snow-mobile tracks and hear engines while I am in wilderness.

There are so many other places where these LOSERS can destroy, why should they have to exploit these two National treasures.

They would trash the place, destroy the peace, and disturb the wildlife.

This is terrible.

Hopefully, the next level of court system would reverse this asshole's ruling.
11 posted on 10/15/2004 5:37:57 PM PDT by The_Republican
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destroy?

The machines are intended for use on the roads there just like cars do all summer long


12 posted on 10/15/2004 5:39:27 PM PDT by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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To: The_Republican

You sound like someone that has actually been in the woods with these types. Me too, and I am on your side ;~D. These are National Parks, not ORV parks.


13 posted on 10/15/2004 5:41:04 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog (<<<loves her hubbit and the horse he rode in on :~D)
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To: The_Republican

do you live near there?? do you go there often?? have you ever been there??

do you complain about the "thumper" radio systems in cars passing your house?


14 posted on 10/15/2004 5:42:12 PM PDT by cajun-jack
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To: The_Republican

I agree.


15 posted on 10/15/2004 5:42:33 PM PDT by ecurbh (Albatross!)
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To: HairOfTheDog

No one is suggesting that these parks be used for Off road activity.

Far more cars will pass thru every summer than snomobiles in winter.


16 posted on 10/15/2004 5:45:33 PM PDT by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
There is more to this story than you realize.

The Clintonista EPA types pulled a bait and switch on the manufacturers.

The EPA and the manufacturers were working in good faith to come up with emissions standards and this ruling came out of nowhere.

I have on a disk somewhere the remarks form a a Big Kahuna at Bombardier (Ski doo) and he was p*$$ed and spoke in a candor that is not often seen in our politically correct world.

At the heart of the buffoonery is the fact that "2 Stroke" engines can employ technologies such as semi-direct and Direct Injection (no one has chosen to use Orbital Engine's Air Assisted Direct Injection yet, IT is the best) that make them just as clean if not better than 4 strokes with good fuel economy.

The 2 Stroke engine is not dead yet, look at Mercury Marine's Optimax line of engines, Tohatsu's TLDI engines, and Aprilia's DI-Tech scooter engine.

17 posted on 10/15/2004 5:46:47 PM PDT by taildragger
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To: mylife
No one is suggesting that these parks be used for Off road activity

You are naive. Off-road is ~exactly~ what they do.

18 posted on 10/15/2004 5:48:06 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog (<<<loves her hubbit and the horse he rode in on :~D)
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To: HairOfTheDog
Thank-You! There is nothing like our wilderness and people who have not spent time in it will never understand what they are losing.

There are so many other places where one can enjoy the rush of going fast on Snow, but it should not be in these precious parks.

There two kind of people, who get rush by making noise in middle of heaven, and those who are moved beyond words, just hearing the quiet and peace of those places. This is a sad day for the later.
19 posted on 10/15/2004 5:50:18 PM PDT by The_Republican
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