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Poll: Most Condemn Kerry Debate Comment
ABC News ^ | 10/15/04

Posted on 10/15/2004 2:56:11 PM PDT by ambrose

Poll: Most Condemn Kerry Debate Comment

A Tempest on the Mention of Vice President Cheney's Lesbian Daughter

Analysis by GARY LANGER and DALIA SUSSMAN

Oct. 15, 20004 -- - Most likely voters agree with what John Kerry said about homosexuality at Wednesday's presidential debate -- but not with the way he said it.

Fifty-seven percent say being homosexual is the way people are, not the way they choose to be -- up from its level a decade ago. But likely voters by 2-1 also call it inappropriate for Kerry, when asked that question, to have noted that Vice President Dick Cheney's daughter is a lesbian. Cheney himself mentioned his daughter's sexual orientation in a campaign appearance in August.

Sampling, data collection and tabulation for this poll were done by TNS.

After the debate, Cheney called himself "a pretty angry father" over Kerry's comment, and his wife called it "a cheap and tawdry political trick." Kerry responded that he was trying "to say something positive about the way strong families deal with the issue."

Kerry and President Bush remained locked in a 48 percent to 48 percent race in the latest ABC News tracking poll. While the tempest may not move many votes, it does look like a missed opportunity for Kerry, since most likely voters agree with his sentiment on the issue, but not how he expressed it.

Indeed only among one group, Kerry's own supporters, does a majority (52 percent) say it was appropriate for him to mention Mary Cheney. Among Democrats, 51 percent call it inappropriate; that rises to 64 percent of independents, 80 percent of Republicans and 82 percent of Bush supporters.

Yet, on the question of whether homosexuality is a trait or a choice, more people take Kerry's position. (In response to this question at the debate, Kerry said, "I think if you talk to anybody, it's not choice." Bush said, "I just don't know.") A third of likely voters call homosexuality a choice; 10 percent have no opinion; and, as noted, 57 percent say it's the way people are. (That compares with 49 percent in an ABC News/"Washington Post" poll of the general population in 1994.)

The question is somewhat of a political fault line. In one group, evangelical white Protestants -- a core Bush group -- most, 58 percent, call homosexuality a choice. So do 49 percent of conservatives and 46 percent of Bush supporters -- pluralities, but not majorities. By contrast, 58 percent of independents, 65 percent of Democrats and 74 percent of Kerry supporters say it's the way people are. So do 68 percent of white Catholics, a swing voter group. And there's a strong regional difference, with more in the Northeast and West saying it's the way people are, not a choice.

Issues

Three top issues continue to command the most attention: Twenty-six percent of likely voters call Iraq the most important issue in their vote, 22 percent say it's the economy and 20 percent cite the U.S. campaign against terrorism. Health care is next, cited by 14 percent.

Bush maintains his lead over Kerry in trust to handle two of these -- Iraq and terrorism. But Kerry responds on domestic issues: He's opened a five-point edge in trust to handle the economy and six points on education, both improved from his position earlier in the week.

Kerry also leads by seven points on "creating jobs," and he holds a double-digit lead in trust to handle health care.

Groups

Voter groups continue to divide along very partisan lines; Bush is supported by 90 percent of Republicans, and he's poaching 12 percent of Democrats; Kerry's supported by 85 percent of Democrats, and 10 percent of Republicans. And the swing group in the middle, independents, split 46 percent to 46 percent.

The customary gender gap in presidential politics is in classic form: Men favor Bush by 10 points while women favor Kerry by eight. Race, as well, is a major factor: Whites support Bush by nine points, while non-whites support Kerry by a huge 46 points -- among blacks, by 89 percent to 9 percent.

The sample in the ABC News tracking poll has grown large enough to aggregate some smaller subgroups. Using the full set of daily interviews since Oct. 1, the poll finds Hispanic voters supporting Kerry by a 17-point margin over Bush, 56 percent to 39 percent. It was 62 percent to 35 percent Gore-Bush in 2000.

Kerry has the customarily huge lead for a Democratic candidate among Jewish voters -- they support him over Bush by 80 percent to 15 percent (Gore won Jewish voters by 79 percent to 19 percent in 2000). Jews accounted for 4 percent of voters in 2000, Hispanics, 7 percent.

Methodology

This poll was conducted by telephone Oct. 12-14 among a random national sample of 1,802 adults, including 1,554 registered voters and 1,203 likely voters. The results have a three-point error margin for the likely voter sample. The questions on homosexuality are based on 422 likely voters interviewed Thursday night; those results have a 5-point margin of error.

ABC News and "The Washington Post" are sharing data collection for this tracking poll, then independently applying their own models to arrive at likely voter estimates. Sampling, data collection and tabulation by TNS of Horsham, Pa.

ABC News polls can be found at ABCNEWS.com in our Poll Vault.



TOPICS: Front Page News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: cheney; gaffe; kerry; selfownage; thirddebate
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1 posted on 10/15/2004 2:56:11 PM PDT by ambrose
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To: ambrose

It was his Dukakis Moment.


2 posted on 10/15/2004 2:57:43 PM PDT by Publius
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To: ambrose

Bush needs to put this in an Ad ASAP


3 posted on 10/15/2004 2:59:03 PM PDT by Betaille (Harry Potter is a Right-Winger)
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To: Publius

I bet just when sKerry thinks this story is about to die out, Mary Cheney will give a tear-jerking interview on Barbara Walters.

LOL!


4 posted on 10/15/2004 2:59:06 PM PDT by ambrose (http://www.swiftvets.com)
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To: Publius

It'll cost him 1-2% points nationwide.


5 posted on 10/15/2004 2:59:36 PM PDT by GAD
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To: ambrose
and 74 percent of Kerry supporters say it's the way people are. So do 68 percent of white Catholics, a swing voter group.

So a majority of Catholics believe that those pedophile priests are just "part of God's plan"?
6 posted on 10/15/2004 3:01:00 PM PDT by counterpunch (The CouNTeRPuNcH Collection - www.counterpunch.us)
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To: ambrose

She should. I don't know what theyre waiting for frankly... you know that if a republican made this gaffe, the Dems would be jumping all over it in every way imaginable.


7 posted on 10/15/2004 3:01:40 PM PDT by Betaille (Harry Potter is a Right-Winger)
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To: ambrose
The democrats take all of their constituents for granted... They USE them... I think its blatantly clear to homosexuals by Kerry's willingness to "speak on behalf" of someone who by all accounts he has never spoken to before, that he doesn't view Mary Cheney, or any other homosexual for that matter, as a PERSON, but rather as a political football to be kicked around to help the party.

I just wish he would do something to let African Americans that he feels the same way about them....
8 posted on 10/15/2004 3:01:52 PM PDT by The Hollywood Conservative
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To: Betaille

I think it is better to let the news media drive this story for as long as they can before weighing in on it ourselves. That's how W handled the CBS forged docs story.


9 posted on 10/15/2004 3:02:58 PM PDT by ambrose (http://www.swiftvets.com)
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To: counterpunch

Kerry's comment was a low-class act of desparation. An effort to depress the Christian right.

It's a political Hail Mary by Kerry and it's dripping with flop-sweat.

I suspect more over the top acts of desparation.


10 posted on 10/15/2004 3:03:30 PM PDT by Buckeye Battle Cry (The Measure of a Man is the Willingness to Accept Responsibility for Consequences of his Acts.)
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To: ambrose

Doesn't this story violate the ABC News memo? Someone's job's on the line.


11 posted on 10/15/2004 3:04:01 PM PDT by Spok
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To: GAD
It'll cost him 1-2% points nationwide.

Welcome to Free Republic.

1-2% points?? I think it cost him the election.

12 posted on 10/15/2004 3:04:12 PM PDT by EggsAckley (............so many vanities............................so little bandwidth..................)
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To: counterpunch

"So a majority of Catholics believe that those pedophile priests are just "part of God's plan"?"
NO. The question in the poll was asked in a skewed way. Nobody is saying that it's a choice... What we ARE saying is that Homosexuality comes from psychological factors, rather than being genetic. If they had asked THAT question in the poll... the results would have been totally different.


13 posted on 10/15/2004 3:04:38 PM PDT by Betaille (Harry Potter is a Right-Winger)
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To: Betaille
Bush needs to put this in an Ad ASAP

Wrong. The last thing Bush should do is to exploit the Vice President's daughter for politics the way Kerry tried to. Kerry has already lost on this one. Why should Bush do something equally as tasteless and turn people off?

I think it would be appropriate, and even advantageous if Mary Cheney wants to come out and speak about her feelings on Kerry using her as a political prop against her father. But that is a choice that only she should make.
14 posted on 10/15/2004 3:04:49 PM PDT by counterpunch (The CouNTeRPuNcH Collection - www.counterpunch.us)
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To: ambrose

Spin Cycle running in overdrive.


15 posted on 10/15/2004 3:04:55 PM PDT by talleyman ("There are liars, damn liars, and Democrats." (-apologies to Mark Twain))
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To: Betaille

As far as I'm concerned, all Ms Cheney needs to say is this. "Senator Kerry, I'll speak for myself. I don't need you to say what I think. I don't need you to use my as a prop in your political battles."


16 posted on 10/15/2004 3:05:46 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Kerry's message to terrorists: Help is on the way!)
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To: ambrose

What really makes me mad is how Mr. & Mrs. Edwards are BLAMING the Cheney's for being upset! That's what REALLY makes me mad!


17 posted on 10/15/2004 3:05:49 PM PDT by Saundra Duffy (Save Terri Schiavo!!!)
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To: ambrose

"better to let the news media drive this story"
Here's a big revelation... THE MEDIA IS BIASED!
They are goign to try to cover this up as much as possible for the next few weeks. It will dissapear by tommorow if the Republicans don't push this. People should be able to see the clip in a TV Ad of Kerry giving a nasty look and saying "just ask Dick Cheneys daughter". It will drive people NUTS.


18 posted on 10/15/2004 3:07:13 PM PDT by Betaille (Harry Potter is a Right-Winger)
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To: Spok
Doesn't this story violate the ABC News memo? Someone's job's on the line.

No, it doesn't. The article is written in a way to soften the impact for Kerry and apologize for him as much as possible. It's presented to make Kerry's case, to say "but see, the people agree with Kerry, not Bush!"
19 posted on 10/15/2004 3:08:02 PM PDT by counterpunch (The CouNTeRPuNcH Collection - www.counterpunch.us)
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To: ambrose

According to the "tolerant" libs, homosexuality is just a routine thing, and nothing that should have to be "dealt with" so what do they mean "families deal with it"? It shows they KNOW there's SOMETHING WRONG that has to be "dealt with"!


20 posted on 10/15/2004 3:09:54 PM PDT by Twinkie
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