KERRY'S DISCHARGE MYSTERY: Steve Malzberg to Interview THOMAS LIPSCOMB

[PowerPro]

Steve Malzberg will be interviewing Thomas Lipscomb on Sunday.

After dialing a hundred times, then having it ring about 25 times I got through last night around 3 a.m. and got to talk to Steve Malzberg a few minutes.

Some of you wanted to know how the chat went. I taped the conversation, saved it to my computer as a wav file and then posted it as streaming audio to my site (it would have been to large just to give people a link directly to the wav file).

Go to the bottom of the home page above the Google search section and you'll see "My conversation with Steve Malzberg on October 14, 2004". Just click on the purple play button to listen:

http://www.powerpromoz.com/

[richardtavor]

Having been a Yeoman in the Navy at about that time, it was very unusual for someone to get a DD. Most of the protesters in the Military (especially the serious ones) were given Administrative Discharges. Anything less than a Honorable or Medical Discharge were a sign of Criminal or unethical behavior. I suspect that Kerry was given an
Administrative Discharge, which was either changed by Carter, or by the SECNAV in the early nineties.

[jslade]

bttt

[concerned about politics]

If you go to Kerry's own website and look at his "honorable" discharge date, it's 1978 - when Carter was giving amnesty. Kerry got out in 1972!

[PowerPro]

I suspect you're right.

I think that - as the article implies - Kerry more than likely got a "less than honorable" discharge due to the fact that he empowered himself to talk to the enemy in time of war thereby undermining those with the authority to talk to the VietCong and also because he came back and spouted anti-American/pro-Communist rhetoric.

All still while he was a Naval Reserve officer, albeit not on active duty - but certainly not in ready reserve. Therefore he had no right to do what he did.

Can you imagine during WWII if a young American officer had gone overseas to have meetings with the Nazi regime and then came back and regurgitated Nazi propaganda while our troops were in harm's way? Is the fact that the Vietnam War is perceived in a harsher light (due in large part to Kerry and the anti-war movement) make what Kerry did any different or less abhorent?

I think the fact he is honored as a hero still to this day with his picture in their war museum speaks volumes.

[concerned about politics]

Opps. I should have added a link to Kerry's "honorable" discharge form dated 6 years after he left the reserves - 1978 - when Carter was giving "dishonorable" anmesty. LOL.
here

[concerned about politics]

BTTT

[JoeV1]

I wonder...could THIS be the 'October surprise' we are all waiting for? Imagine the release of irrefutable documents showing that Kerry was to be discharged less then honorably, IE a General Discharge or General Discharge under Honorable Conditions or Bad Conduct Discharge or even Dishonorable Discharge (unlikely).

This would answer the question as to why there was a one year 'investigation' before his discharge papers were issued.

[PowerPro]

I think we must keep this story going. We must participate and call in to radio shows.

It's up to us!

Because I guarantee you - Dan Rather would "rather" not discuss this. You won't hear about it anywhere in the MSM unless we make the kind of fuss that was made during Rathergate, or Memogate or Fontgate (or whatever the heck it was...)

Be sure to listen to radio like WABC:

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...and call in!!!

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[concerned about politics]

I think we must keep this story going. We must participate and call in to radio shows.

I sent it to republican activists in Florida.

[gypsylea]

I think this is dangerous as all get out. Suppose, just suppose, that Kerry was at first denied an honorable discharge. Let's further suppose that he admits it, and authorizes the release of his files, which then show a finding by the review board that the denial was based on pressure from the Nixon White House.

I am not saying this would happen, but it COULD!!!

We've got this one in the bag. No sense in throwing Hail Mary passes.

[concerned about politics]

Kerry was at first denied an honorable discharge. Let's further suppose that he admits it, and authorizes the release of his files, which then show a finding by the review board that the denial was based on pressure from the Nixon White House.

He was a traitor. He sided with the enemy. Nixon would have been right. Nixon would look better because of it.

[PowerPro]

That's an interesting point but consider what the article states:

If Mr. Kerry was the victim of a Nixon "enemies list" hit, one might have expected him to wear it like a badge of honor, like many others such as his friend Daniel Ellsberg, who leaked the Pentagon Papers, CBS's Daniel Schorr, or the actor Paul Newman, who had made Mr. Colson's original list of 20 "enemies."

[gypsylea]

OK, that is your view, and up to the las part, "Nixon would have looked better..." I don't disagree with you. However, many other people than me would make Kerry out to be a hero. Why give them a chance? My goal is to win the election, end of story, and the wrong way to try to win an election is to try to promote stories that MIGHT turn around and bite you in the rear.

I understand the feelings about Kerry, and don't disagree with them one iota. I'm just questioning whether this story necessarily hurts Kerry in the contest for votes.

[gypsylea]

Yeah, I read that, and that is the main reason I am not CERTAIN we could be sandbagged. But, there could be other reasons. The Carter amnesty was controversial, and maybe Kerry just didn't see how he would, at that time, profit from being in the middle of it.

I am still concerned that this story could ricochet. Also, I assume that a little bird has told the Bush campaign what is in those files, and they have made an informed judgment to not challenge Kerry to release them.

[PowerPro]

Sometimes things are as they seem to be. Kerry won't sign 180. Kerry is hiding something big. Now as of the "authority of reference" used by the review board, this is what the article contends (emphasis mine):

The "authority of reference" this board was using in considering Mr. Kerry's record was "Title 10, U.S. Code Section 1162 and 1163. "This section refers to the grounds for involuntary separation from the service. What was being reviewed, then, was Mr. Kerry's involuntary separation from the service. And it couldn't have been an honorable discharge, or there would have been no point in any review at all. The review was likely held to improve Mr. Kerry's status of discharge from a less than honorable discharge to an honorable discharge.

A Kerry campaign spokesman, David Wade, was asked whether Mr. Kerry had ever been a victim of an attempt to deny him an honorable discharge. There has been no response to that inquiry.

I feel comfortable enough from this information to say that John Kerry did not originally receive an honorable discharge. I do not know exactly what he received, but I do believe it was originally less than honorable.

Furthermore, imho, John Kerry is a liar, a traitor and a manipulator and believes he has done everything he needs to do to cover up what really happened. He has repeatedly thrown his Naval Reserves military record and medals in everyone's faces for service that he was forced into when his deferment request was denied - and he needs to be held accountable!

[jcb8199]

Good work! Thanks for the post!

[gypsylea]

I have never disputed that Kerry might have gotten a less than honorable discharge that was later upgraded. I'd have put him in front of a firing squad, OK?

But just how does this help Bush win the election IF-- and I repeat IF-- it turns out that it was ordered by Nixon?

There might be a lot of people like my neighbor, for example, who is voting for Bush, but who absolutely htes Nixon and was an anti- war protester. I honestly don't know how he would react if it turns out Nixon put the screws to Kerry. Why run he risk of alienating anyone who does not share our feelings about Kerry's betrayal?

[Thom Pain]

"Can you imagine during WWII if a young American officer had gone overseas to have meetings with the Nazi regime and then came back and regurgitated Nazi propaganda while our troops were in harm's way? Is the fact that the Vietnam War is perceived in a harsher light (due in large part to Kerry and the anti-war movement) make what Kerry did any different or less abhorent?"

Depends, would Dan Rath^er be bringing us the "news"??? If DanTomPeter were doing the news in WWII we would have cut and run, because they would have convinced America that Boeing, McDonnel-Douglas, Grumman (pre-Halliburton) were responsible for the death and destruction. ...and Adolph did NOT have WMD!! (rant-off)

[Beckwith]

What is John Kerry hiding? Why doesn't he sign the Standard Form 180 and release his military service and medical records to the public?

Join the petition.

http://www.SignForm180.com

[PowerPro]

I signed it yesterday!

MR. KERRY - SIGN YOUR 180!!! (as though he's reading my post)