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No Ladies’ Man (John Kerry has a lame pick-up line)
National Review Online ^ | October 14, 2004 | Carrie Lukas

Posted on 10/14/2004 9:34:14 AM PDT by No Surrender Monkey

Desperate men often resort to clichéd lines when trying to snare women. Senator John Kerry must be desperate, because he dragged out the tired, misleading statistic about the so-called wage gap during last night's debate; namely, that women only earn 76 cents for each man's dollar.

This factoid comes from Department of Labor data on the average wage of a full-time working woman and the average wage of a full-time working man. And, yes, if you look at those numbers you will find that the average woman earns about three quarters of the income of the average man.

But that statistic ignores many relevant factors that affect a worker's take-home pay. For starters, it doesn't adjust for number of years worked. On average, women spend about a decade out of the workforce to care for their families. It should come as no surprise to Senator Kerry that a 35-year-old woman reentering the workforce after ten years off earns less than a man or woman who worked continuously during that time.

The wage-gap statistic also fails to consider educational attainment. Today, women earn more than half of all bachelor's and master's degrees, but it wasn't always that way. Older women in the workforce tend to have less education than their male peers, which affected their career path, their salaries, and ultimately Department of Labor data.

Women and men also often have different priorities when assessing employment opportunities. One survey of working women found that for nearly three quarters a flexible schedule was "very important" when considering a job. This means that many women are willing to trade more money for more flexibility or time off.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: gwb2004; kerry; thirddebate; wagegap; womensvote
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To: BushisTheMan

And we are telling you AGAIN that your Newsweek article, without the source of the data, is absolutely worthless.


221 posted on 10/28/2004 9:27:15 AM PDT by Xenalyte (Anything is possible when you don't understand how anything happens.)
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To: Xenalyte

You don't think Newsweek did their own polling?

Not that I would trust them on political matters, but this wasn't written by a political person.


222 posted on 10/28/2004 9:30:50 AM PDT by BushisTheMan
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To: Xenalyte

But you think their calling me a bitch is okay. How very sensitive of you too.


223 posted on 10/28/2004 9:31:36 AM PDT by BushisTheMan
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To: BushisTheMan

I didn't applaud them. Besides, I don't claim to be sensitive and tolerant and understanding.


224 posted on 10/28/2004 9:32:36 AM PDT by Xenalyte (Anything is possible when you don't understand how anything happens.)
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To: Xenalyte

This is my last post to you. If you want to get paid less, and you want to live in a fantasy world, then go ahead.


225 posted on 10/28/2004 9:32:51 AM PDT by BushisTheMan
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To: BushisTheMan
No, I don't think Newsweek did its own "polling." Polls would be a grossly inappropriate way to gather data. Examination of census and salary reports, on the other hand, would.

However and again, absent the source of the data, we are forced to conclude that it is a) unverifiable and therefore b) suspect.

That it supports your agenda does not make it true.
226 posted on 10/28/2004 9:33:50 AM PDT by Xenalyte (Anything is possible when you don't understand how anything happens.)
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To: BushisTheMan

I've already told you and everyone else on this thread that I make exactly what a man with my experience and education makes. It's that simple, and it's no fantasy.


227 posted on 10/28/2004 9:34:19 AM PDT by Xenalyte (Anything is possible when you don't understand how anything happens.)
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To: BushisTheMan; Xenalyte
Let me help you:

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To: BushisTheMan

Face it. You ARE playing the victim. FReepers tend to call it as we see it.

You remind me of that friend we all have who's dating a guy nobody she knows can stand, but she thinks there's something wrong with her friends and family because SHE likes the guy and nothing could possibly be wrong with someone she likes.

187 posted on 10/27/2004 6:02:33 PM PDT by Xenalyte (And then I says, "Tell me I'm wrong!" and he says, "I can't, baby, 'cause you're NOT!")

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228 posted on 10/28/2004 9:36:48 AM PDT by Polybius
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To: Xenalyte

It's an agenda to want equal pay?

Hmmmmmmm


229 posted on 10/28/2004 9:39:55 AM PDT by BushisTheMan
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To: Polybius

Very smart of you bub. Getting woman to argue with woman.

I've thought I had made my last post to Xena Warrior but she just said something that I couldn't ignore.

But I'm not playing your game. Xena the Warrior Woman might, but better men that you have tried to pit woman against woman.


230 posted on 10/28/2004 9:41:54 AM PDT by BushisTheMan
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To: BushisTheMan

No, the assertion that women get paid less than men - an assertion you cannot deny you are making - supports the feminist agenda.


231 posted on 10/28/2004 9:42:49 AM PDT by Xenalyte (Anything is possible when you don't understand how anything happens.)
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To: Xenalyte

I'm not a feminist.

You fell for their little game, you silly goose.


232 posted on 10/28/2004 9:57:28 AM PDT by BushisTheMan
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To: BushisTheMan

You may not be a feminist, but you cannot deny that feminists use that exact argument to support their agenda.


233 posted on 10/28/2004 9:58:25 AM PDT by Xenalyte (Anything is possible when you don't understand how anything happens.)
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To: Xenalyte

Perhaps because it is true?


234 posted on 10/28/2004 10:01:55 AM PDT by BushisTheMan
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To: BushisTheMan

No, because it supports their agenda. Kinda like you. You have yet to prove that anyone did more than make up the statistics in the article you quote.


235 posted on 10/28/2004 10:04:02 AM PDT by Xenalyte (Anything is possible when you don't understand how anything happens.)
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To: BushisTheMan; Xenalyte
Very smart of you bub. Getting woman to argue with woman. I've thought I had made my last post to Xena Warrior but she just said something that I couldn't ignore. But I'm not playing your game. Xena the Warrior Woman might, but better men that you have tried to pit woman against woman.


236 posted on 10/28/2004 10:41:52 AM PDT by Polybius
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To: Xenalyte

bye bye


237 posted on 10/28/2004 11:41:20 AM PDT by BushisTheMan
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To: BushisTheMan

Instead of finding supporting data, you bid me goodbye? That's one of the weaker debating tactics.


238 posted on 10/28/2004 12:00:47 PM PDT by Xenalyte (Anything is possible when you don't understand how anything happens.)
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To: BushisTheMan

Stop insulting people and answer the questions I posted.

Bears repeating.

It would make much less sense for me to focus on your OTHER meretricious arguments if you would just support your original one. And when I say meretricious, I am intentionally not ruling out either sense of the word.


239 posted on 10/28/2004 4:34:52 PM PDT by LibertarianInExile ( "[Y]our arguments are devoid of value. I, as a woman, have so declared it." -- BushIsTheMan)
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To: BushisTheMan

Stop insulting people and answer the questions I posted.

"And they could be actual facts."

Logic problem: Shifting the burden.


240 posted on 10/28/2004 4:43:07 PM PDT by LibertarianInExile ( "[Y]our arguments are devoid of value. I, as a woman, have so declared it." -- BushIsTheMan)
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