Posted on 10/14/2004 9:34:14 AM PDT by No Surrender Monkey
Desperate men often resort to clichéd lines when trying to snare women. Senator John Kerry must be desperate, because he dragged out the tired, misleading statistic about the so-called wage gap during last night's debate; namely, that women only earn 76 cents for each man's dollar.
This factoid comes from Department of Labor data on the average wage of a full-time working woman and the average wage of a full-time working man. And, yes, if you look at those numbers you will find that the average woman earns about three quarters of the income of the average man.
But that statistic ignores many relevant factors that affect a worker's take-home pay. For starters, it doesn't adjust for number of years worked. On average, women spend about a decade out of the workforce to care for their families. It should come as no surprise to Senator Kerry that a 35-year-old woman reentering the workforce after ten years off earns less than a man or woman who worked continuously during that time.
The wage-gap statistic also fails to consider educational attainment. Today, women earn more than half of all bachelor's and master's degrees, but it wasn't always that way. Older women in the workforce tend to have less education than their male peers, which affected their career path, their salaries, and ultimately Department of Labor data.
Women and men also often have different priorities when assessing employment opportunities. One survey of working women found that for nearly three quarters a flexible schedule was "very important" when considering a job. This means that many women are willing to trade more money for more flexibility or time off.
(Excerpt) Read more at nationalreview.com ...
Someone like me? You mean someone who doesn't like men who think they are the kings at work?
Your brother sounds like a moron too.
I'm not going to be your lap dog and back up anything because you say I have to. Your wife must take orders from you but I don't have to.
I blamed my parents for not being rich? It was just wishful thinking. You are really desperate to make a debating point, aren't you?
Let me help you. Why don't you just do 10 posts with thewords "victim card" on them? It's all you've been spouting for the last 10 posts anyway.
"Not only am I a bitch but I'm also a liar? I guess you think that only women lie also. I'm not surprised."
As to the first statement, well...me try out a bit of that rusty Latin: rem acu tetigisti. To quote a learned bard on the subject: You're thru' without a bmw.
As to the second, not remotely. Boys and girls, here we see the straw man coming out again. Don't be scared--it's only a boggart! Laugh at it and say 'Ridiculous logic!' and it'll go away!
As to the third, see the response I gave some moments ago.
"Like I said, you are a real credit to your gender."
Actually, it's like I said. And, way back in post 41. You just keep repeating what I said, over and over, because you like the sound of it.
Your use of the statement is, however, much like something you've said--your point. You like it because it sounds good to you, but you can't provide any evidence for it. We call these arguments ad nauseum. Saying "Bush was selected not elected," or "Bush rushed to war," over and over does not prove anything. The same is true of your point that women are paid less than similarly qualified men for the same work. The limited facts we have seen here say otherwise.
"You're losing it. Calm down. Why don't you head to the strip club and be with your buddies."
Oh, she poses questions again, goody (and without proper punctuation)! Let's make it a quiz for her!
Why don't you head to the strip club and be with your buddies?
A) Because I'm waiting to hear you make a logical argument. I think it will be a long wait.
B) Because I'd love to see you get through a post without insulting anyone.
C) Because unlike you, I don't hang out with my friends in strip clubs--or work on the streetcorner outside one.
D) Because unlike you, I prefer women whose intellect is dazzling, not their physical attributes. I'm sure you're on the hunt for another Naomi Wolf, so keep looking in the clubs and I'm sure you'll find her!
E) All of the above
Not that you're used to answers which follow questions, but the answer is E.
Answer the questions I posted.
"You know you have a problem when you have to debate every sentence, don't you?"
You can't avoid making a logical error in every single statement in a post, and consider that I point this out debating?
Not at all. I am simply educating. As usual, you choose not to learn. It is lucky for us that you were born into a Republican family, or you would be a typical Democrat.
Stop insulting people and answer the questions I posted.
"Someone like me? You mean someone who doesn't like men who think they are the kings at work?"
Logic problem: Straw man
"Your brother sounds like a moron too."
Logic problem: Ad hominem, red herring.
For those of you keeping score, BushisTheMan throws The Victim Card out yet again.
First, she claims that "National studies have shown X".
When asked to provide links to her claims she then whips out The Victim Card yet again and accuses you of making her a "lap dog" and "ordering her" around.
Look, BushisTheMan, it is accepted protocol in debate that, when one party claims that a certain study has proved X or Y, you may be asked to back up your claim that this is indeed true by at least showing us that that alleged study actually exists.
If you refuse to do so, then it is accepted debate protocol that you have conceded that debate point.
If you want to concede the debate, you have a perfect right to do so and you have, in fact, already done so.
To claim Victimhood yet again only makes you appear even more foolish than you have already made yourself appear on this thread.
You are defending a false Democrat talking point with nothing but ridiculous claims of victimhood and that won't get you very far on Free Republic.
I apologize in advance for all the awful things that will be said about you and about women in general by BushIsTheMan. Thank you for, by your presence alone, providing proof to the men who have dealt with her on this thread, that most women are not like her.
I've already noted her not-so-subtle threat, the "what does your firm think?" post, which obviously is intended to make you run screaming in fear that you will be exposed as a human being who has interests outside of work (gasp)! And I hope that you feel as sorry about her pitiful ability to respond to fair comments as I do. It's sad when there are people like her don't even KNOW they've succumbed to the liberal mindset.
If I had to depend on you for education, I would have that burger joint job.
You like to draw all your little buddies into this don't you. Typical of many who can't win arguments on their own so you resort to numbers.
"Stop insulting people and answer the questions I posted."
Are you using your authoritarian voice now? You still can't make me obey you. Try your wife.
From "victim card" to "victimhood". At least you have a new word.
Calling in the ALL squad again? So sad.
"If I had to depend on you for education, I would have that burger joint job."
If you had to depend on me? Why would you ever even consider depending on anyone else for your education? Your education is your own responsibility! Not that you would understand that. You're so stuck with the notion that you're a victim of society, that society should bring everything to the table for YOU, that you think you should be depending on others to provide things for you.
Again, your irrelevant comments are intended to obscure the issue here, which is your original claim that women are paid less than similarly qualified men for the same work.
"Calling in the ALL squad again? So sad."
I apologize for not calling in the "ALL squad" to my earlier post (#157), because I intended these posts to you to be useful for them. They are certainly not an example to you--you continue to be a great example of how not to argue. Post #108, by Polybius, would be instructive in logic as well for those who would like to learn more about it.
Again, your irrelevant comments are intended to obscure the issue here, which is your original claim that women are paid less than similarly qualified men for the same work, a claim for which you have refused to provide any evidence, beyond a single anecdote you will not properly qualify.
"Throwing out The Victim Card" is an action such as when you ridiculously accuse someone making you a "lap dog" for asking for a reference to a study that you cite.
Victimhood is the disease that you suffer from.
You like to draw all your little buddies into this don't you. Typical of many who can't win arguments on their own so you resort to numbers.
No, I think it useful for them to see negative examples. You accuse me of an argument ad popularum, which I decline to make. That there are any number of people who agree with me about you and your feeble opinion-mongering isn't indicative of how right I am at all, and I will be the first to say it. Lots of folks used to think the moon was made of green cheese, but that didn't make it so.
No, I am right because I can support my opinion and have done so at every turn, while you flip and flop and insult and evade and toss straw men as if scarecrows grow on trees. I am right because discrimination against women is against the law of the land, and where it does exist, it is rare and mutable, if only women would enforce their rights under law. Those would be women who are far braver and obviously more intelligent than you, I might add, women who are prepared to back up their opinions with facts, as the law, and logic, require.
Are you using your authoritarian voice now? You still can't make me obey you. Try your wife.
Oh, no, I wouldn't want you to obey me. That might start a trend where you actually listen to what people have to say, and that could overload both your heavily burdened brain cells. I have no need to order anyone around, and in fact, my politics and personal opinions are all about nobody ordering anybody around. But that would be obvious if you read what other people post occasionally.
No, when I tell you to "stop insulting people and answer my questions," I'm suggesting you follow the rules of logic and debate, wherein you attempt to actually civilly answer questions posed to you and respond to arguments posed by others. To repeat, I am suggesting. I can't order you to do anything. You have freedom of speech and volition, and I just post things here. I have no other power over you than persuasion.
I have nonetheless recognized that attempting to persuade you is exactly the same as trying to convince a liberal to accept responsibility. I don't expect to persuade you to be an adult and accept logical discourse as a standard to post by, but I try, because not trying, not struggling to improve this world, is akin to expecting the world to provide me with its riches. Sort of the opposite of you, expecting the world to provide for you because you're the "victim" of a "male-dominated society." I don't expect you to accept logic as your guide here, because based on your past record on this thread, you would continue to eschew logical discourse even if a big logic monster with logic-laden eyes and logic-laden breath and logic-laden fangs dripping with logic-laden blood bit you on the ass. Notwithstanding my pessimism, I continue addressing you to utilize you as a useful example to others of illogic and its folly. So even though I doubt you may one day learn to argue like a grownup, you still serve a purpose for others.
Again, your irrelevant comments are intended to obscure the issue here, which is your original claim that women are paid less than similarly qualified men for the same work, a claim for which you have refused to provide any evidence, beyond a single anecdote you will not properly qualify.
You wouldn't know a woman named Emily Buckles, would you? She used to be a big fan of RPGs and she and her husband were active in the same community you seem to be in. I used to work with her there. Also have a friend working for AndrewsKurth there.
I miss Houston. Lived just outside the inner loop south of the Galleria for a few months. On the way in, it felt a bit weird after growing up in other cities with hellarestrictive zoning laws, but it is a town I grew to love in the brief time I was there. No matter where you live, you can find a bar and a barbecue within 15 minutes' drive. Thinking about The Ginger Man, and Rice Rathskeller, two of my favorite hangouts...yeah, I miss it.
And I appreciate Texas women--there are a few in my family. Honest, open, and fair-minded, generally.
You just stop that right now! ;)
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