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To: tdadams
I'll see your a link and raise you a link: http://www.factcheck.org/article249.html

Too many people try to counter declining median wage statistics among the middle class with statistics completely irrelevant to the point of the discussion. From your own link: Personal income has grown nearly 6 percent over the past year, with wage and salary income up 5 percent
True, but this is across all income levels. Nobody disputes that the wealthy are becoming wealthier, or that the poor maybe aren't quite as poor, but those numbers are irrelevant to the incomes of the people we specifically define as middle class (earning between $25k and $75k a year).

But a new Bureau of Labor Statistics study shows that more white-collar managerial and professional jobs, with relatively fewer low-wage jobs, are being created today...The Kerryites conveniently focus on non-supervisory production jobs, the very low end of the wage spectrum...It has no meaning in the 21st century high-tech information age."

The author misses two very important key points here. First, the people working those nonsupervisory jobs make up the bulk of the middle class. Dismissing them as irrelevant and writing them off is the very thing that is placing this nations middle class in jeopardy. Second, the "high tech information age" thing is a fallacy. Tech and science jobs are no longer being created in the U.S., with the vast majority of both American and international funding and development in those areas being fed into China and India. Only a moron would go into technology today in the U.S., when some guy in India can do the same job as you for $2.50 an hour.

The references to the income increase for professional and managerial positions is also irrelevant, because these groups make up a relatively small percentage of the American middle class (besides, is the author seriously suggesting that we all become managers?)
107 posted on 10/14/2004 12:47:02 PM PDT by Arthalion
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To: Arthalion
The Times has played fast and loose [the Middle Class is not disappearing]

Interestingly enough, this link mentions factcheck.org.

112 posted on 10/14/2004 12:50:34 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Arthalion
I'm sorry, but you're just wedded to an ideology of victimhood that relies on statistical analysis that is almost entirely misleading and short-sighted.

First, the people working those nonsupervisory jobs make up the bulk of the middle class. Dismissing them as irrelevant and writing them off is the very thing that is placing this nations middle class in jeopardy.

This is a good example of the faulty analysis you rely on. The lower middle class aren't being dismissed as irrelvant. They are moving into the upper middle and upper classes. Likewise, the lower class are moving into the middle class.

the "high tech information age" thing is a fallacy. Tech and science jobs are no longer being created in the U.S.

Statements like that show exactly why your arguments can't be taken seriously. Ten years ago, Amazon.com didn't exist. Five years ago, Google didn't exist. Together these two companies alone employ probably over 50,000 people. Are you saying those don't count? How many other companies have been created in the wake of new technology that aren't nearly as big and fly under the national radar.

You're arguments are ridiculous. They seem more akin to the Democrats and labor union mentality than anything I'd expect to see here.

129 posted on 10/14/2004 1:23:35 PM PDT by tdadams ('Unfit for Command' is full of lies... it quotes John Kerry)
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