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Mystery Surrounds Kerry's Navy Discharge
New York Sun ^ | 10/13/2004 | BY THOMAS LIPSCOMB - Special to the Sun

Posted on 10/13/2004 12:54:03 AM PDT by politicket

Edited on 10/13/2004 1:07:27 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Excerpt:

Mystery Surrounds Kerry's Navy Discharge

BY THOMAS LIPSCOMB - Special to the Sun
October 13, 2004
URL: http://www.nysun.com/article/3107

An official Navy document on Senator Kerry's campaign Web site listed as Mr. Kerry's "Honorable Discharge from the Reserves" opens a door on a well kept secret about his military service.

The document is a form cover letter in the name of the Carter administration's secretary of the Navy, W. Graham Claytor. It describes Mr. Kerry's discharge as being subsequent to the review of "a board of officers." This in it self is unusual. There is nothing about an ordinary honorable discharge action in the Navy that requires a review by a board of officers.

According to the secretary of the Navy's document, the "authority of reference" this board was using in considering Mr. Kerry's record was "Title 10, U.S. Code Section 1162 and 1163. "This section refers to the grounds for involuntary separation from the service. What was being reviewed, then, was Mr. Kerry's involuntary separation from the service. And it couldn't have been an honorable discharge, or there would have been no point in any review at all. The review was likely held to improve Mr. Kerry's status of discharge from a less than honorable discharge to an honorable discharge.

A Kerry campaign spokesman, David Wade, was asked whether Mr. Kerry had ever been a victim of an attempt to deny him an honorable discharge. There has been no response to that inquiry.

The document is dated February 16, 1978. But Mr. Kerry's military commitment began with his six-year enlistment contract with the Navy on February 18, 1966. His commitment should have terminated in 1972. It is highly unlikely that either the man who at that time was a Vietnam Veterans Against the War leader, John Kerry, requested or the Navy accepted an additional six year reserve commitment. And the Claytor document indicates proceedings to reverse a less than honorable discharge that took place sometime prior to February 1978.

The most routine time for Mr. Kerry's discharge would have been at the end of his six-year obligation, in 1972. But how was it most likely to have come about?


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KEYWORDS: discharge; dishonorabledischarg; kerry; kerrydischarge; lipscomb; lurch; militaryrecord; napalminthemorning; navydischarge; thomaslipscomb; traitor
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To: Lovebloggers

6 years. Wouldn't his inactive duty be included?


161 posted on 10/13/2004 5:04:41 AM PDT by Blogger (Pray for President Bush and our nation!!!!! The Lord is our Hope and Strength!!!!!)
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To: politicket

This has been floating around for a while.
I think this sentence hits the nail on the head .... "This section refers to the grounds for involuntary separation from the service. What was being reviewed, then, was Mr. Kerry's involuntary separation from the service."


162 posted on 10/13/2004 5:05:16 AM PDT by nuconvert (Everyone has a photographic memory. Some don't have film.)
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To: politicket

BUMP!


163 posted on 10/13/2004 5:05:31 AM PDT by jmstein7 (A Judge not bound by the original meaning of the Constitution interprets nothing but his own mind.)
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To: politicket
There is one odd coincidence that gives some weight to the possibility that Mr. Kerry was dishonorably discharged. Mr. Kerry has claimed that he lost his medal certificates and that is why he asked that they be reissued. But when a dishonorable discharge is issued, all pay benefits, and allowances, and all medals and honors are revoked as well. And five months after Mr. Kerry joined the U.S. Senate in 1985, on one single day, June 4, all of Mr. Kerry's medals were reissued.

This is the most revealing paragraph in the article. It explains why the medal certificates were re-issued.

164 posted on 10/13/2004 5:06:13 AM PDT by JoeGar
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To: SkyPilot

Holy exotic dancers, Batman, what is he looking at?


165 posted on 10/13/2004 5:06:34 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Kerry: I wholeheartedly disagree with you beyond expression)
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To: Arizona Carolyn

And if the were reinstated in 1985 it now makes sense why John Lehman the seretary of the Navy at that time signed the citations. hmmmmmm


166 posted on 10/13/2004 5:06:37 AM PDT by Sea2ShiningSea (God shed His grace on thee.)
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To: ops33
An officer DOES NOT GET A DISCHARGE???

I was an "officer" in the Navy and received my HONORABLE DISCHARGE in 1972 and proudly display it for all to see...rto

167 posted on 10/13/2004 5:07:01 AM PDT by visitor (dems are committing hairy kerry to defend our national security with a shifty politician like JFK)
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To: Apple Pan Dowdy

APD, you got it nailed, my FRiend. Webb is also quite an author and several of his books deal with honor and duty. I'm disappointed in his stand against elements of the WoT but his perspective on the Vietnam era is right on.


168 posted on 10/13/2004 5:11:35 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Kerry: I wholeheartedly disagree with you beyond expression)
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To: politicket

Is this the October surprise?


169 posted on 10/13/2004 5:12:35 AM PDT by NautiNurse ("I have a plan...We have better hair.")
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To: NautiNurse

bump


170 posted on 10/13/2004 5:14:36 AM PDT by RVN Airplane Driver (www.RealHeroesVoices.com....see the real John Kerry)
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To: Steel and Fire and Stone
It would also be quite instructive of why they tried so hard to tarnish Bush's record

Bingo

171 posted on 10/13/2004 5:16:28 AM PDT by js1138 (Speedy architect of perfect labyrinths.)
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To: Kaslin; All

Many people and certainly the MSM and libs won't read past the words "Nixon", "enemies list" and "dirt" before they conclude or spin that this is just a hit piece and sKerry was indeed a victim.

Interesting article but I have doubts it will see much action.

Prairie


172 posted on 10/13/2004 5:19:03 AM PDT by prairiebreeze (The Old Media is no longer a news service. It's a transcription service for the DNC.)
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To: Steel and Fire and Stone

The records may be purged (and it all could be quite legal) but there seems to be enough here to justify some very specific and direct questions to the candidate.

I think Bush knows what's up, and I think he has deliberately avoided the issue. He would prefer to win without this kind of mudslinging.

But it is beyond his control.


173 posted on 10/13/2004 5:21:20 AM PDT by js1138 (Speedy architect of perfect labyrinths.)
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To: politicket

Thanks!

Our Navy Chief friend on the Swift Vets site promised this last night.

THOMAS LIPSCOMB may be the only honest and real reporter in the USA and maybe the world. He is like pit bull on steriods when he gets on a story.


174 posted on 10/13/2004 5:21:36 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (When will the ABCNNBC BS lunatic libs stop Rathering to Americans? Answer: NEVER!)
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To: Kornev
I'm scared to hell that this guy just might win. Wow.

He doesn't scare me...the masses of brainless idiots who will vote for him scare me!
175 posted on 10/13/2004 5:22:03 AM PDT by hiredhand
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To: visitor

If I am wrong please help me to understand. I was under the believe that an officer did not receive a discharge the same as an enlisted member did. While enlisted had specified periods of enlistment and officer did not. He may have a minimum period he must serve, but he did not have an enlistment contract as an enlisted did. Is that correct?

When an enlisted member's period of enlistment expired that individual was discharged. But an officer's commission was valid until death, retirement, or separation. Is that correct?

So when an officer leaves the military is he separated or discharged? I may not used the term the way I understood it but I thought that only an enlisted member was actually discharged. An officer may receive a certificate attesting to his Honorable service but is it the same as for an enlisted member?

There has also been several comments stated that perhaps Kerry received a Dishonorable Discharge or a Bad Conduct Discharge. Are these not punitive discharges given only to enlisted as a part of the punishment from conviction by a general Courts-Martial?

If I am wrong please tell me.

Thanks,



176 posted on 10/13/2004 5:22:35 AM PDT by ops33 (Retired USAF Senior Master Sergeant)
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To: MeekOneGOP; mhking; nutmeg; Ernest_at_the_Beach; politicket

FYI

and

Ping

Lists.


177 posted on 10/13/2004 5:22:46 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (When will the ABCNNBC BS lunatic libs stop Rathering to Americans? Answer: NEVER!)
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To: All

If you agree or not, the only way this is going to get play is for "US ALL" to force feed the MSM with Demands do investigate, if not it will not get coverage.

EMAIL THIS ARTICAL TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW!!!!!!


178 posted on 10/13/2004 5:23:27 AM PDT by wvromania (CHALLENGE KERRY to release DATE and TIME he Visited Troops at hospital!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: Grampa Dave

Well, the fact that the Kerry flack was struck dumb by the question is certainly interesting, isn't it?


179 posted on 10/13/2004 5:23:28 AM PDT by mewzilla
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To: patriciamary
I couldn't agree more! If the positions were reversed, you can bet J F'ng Kerry would be pushing it to the hilt, bringing it up at every campaign stop.

Bush has to understand that there is more than his personal feelings at stake. The security and survival of the country could very well hinge on the outcome of this election.

180 posted on 10/13/2004 5:25:58 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (The Swiftboat Vets - Patriotic Americans STILL serving their country!)
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