Posted on 10/13/2004 12:54:03 AM PDT by politicket
Edited on 10/13/2004 1:07:27 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
Excerpt:
Mystery Surrounds Kerry's Navy Discharge
BY THOMAS LIPSCOMB - Special to the Sun
October 13, 2004
URL: http://www.nysun.com/article/3107
An official Navy document on Senator Kerry's campaign Web site listed as Mr. Kerry's "Honorable Discharge from the Reserves" opens a door on a well kept secret about his military service.
The document is a form cover letter in the name of the Carter administration's secretary of the Navy, W. Graham Claytor. It describes Mr. Kerry's discharge as being subsequent to the review of "a board of officers." This in it self is unusual. There is nothing about an ordinary honorable discharge action in the Navy that requires a review by a board of officers.
According to the secretary of the Navy's document, the "authority of reference" this board was using in considering Mr. Kerry's record was "Title 10, U.S. Code Section 1162 and 1163. "This section refers to the grounds for involuntary separation from the service. What was being reviewed, then, was Mr. Kerry's involuntary separation from the service. And it couldn't have been an honorable discharge, or there would have been no point in any review at all. The review was likely held to improve Mr. Kerry's status of discharge from a less than honorable discharge to an honorable discharge.
A Kerry campaign spokesman, David Wade, was asked whether Mr. Kerry had ever been a victim of an attempt to deny him an honorable discharge. There has been no response to that inquiry.
The document is dated February 16, 1978. But Mr. Kerry's military commitment began with his six-year enlistment contract with the Navy on February 18, 1966. His commitment should have terminated in 1972. It is highly unlikely that either the man who at that time was a Vietnam Veterans Against the War leader, John Kerry, requested or the Navy accepted an additional six year reserve commitment. And the Claytor document indicates proceedings to reverse a less than honorable discharge that took place sometime prior to February 1978.
The most routine time for Mr. Kerry's discharge would have been at the end of his six-year obligation, in 1972. But how was it most likely to have come about?
Look at the way the question was put. The fact that the flack from the Kerry campaign couldn't respond with an immediate and forceful Heck, no!! says it all.
Bump for later
I don't think the Swifties are going to put out ads that contain things that cannot be documented or are not first hand information. So far, no one has been able to say that anything they have said is untrue and I am sure they prefer to keep it that way.
This definately needs to be investigated and it seems to me there is enough evidence here that a worthy news organization would use their power and influence and sue to get the information. Information the public deserves, BEFORE they vote.
I'm from down there. I grew up about 60 miles north of N.O. and everyone down there knows that Louisiana is the most crooked state in the Nation. If I wanted to run a shady deed I do it there. Especially back in the 80's no one would even notice or care.
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".......allowing Jimmy Carter a free pass on the issue of presidential pardons, as was done in a recent piece by his former chief of staff, Hamilton Jordan, on this page, ignores both the evidence of history and the trauma that President Carter visited on this country during his earliest days in office ("The First Grifters," Feb. 20). Indeed, it could be said that the seeds of Bill Clinton's political arrogance were sown by Jimmy Carter's own hand.
While the Carter presidency may have handled cases of individual presidential pardons with great care, Mr. Carter's first official act as president was to pardon, en masse, all those who had been or could be charged with draft evasion during the Vietnam era. Motivated by the ever-present desire of American politicians to "heal the wounds" of the Vietnam War, and beyond doubt manipulated by the army of antiwar McGovernites who had seized control of the Democratic Party, Mr. Carter's gesture had the symbolic effect of elevating everyone who had opposed the Vietnam War to the level of moral purist, and by implication insulting those who often had struggled just as deeply with the moral dimensions of the war and had decided, often at great sacrifice, to honor the laws of their country and serve.
Nor did President Carter's abuse of power end with the pardoning of draft evaders. Some had criticized this blanket amnesty as having made class distinctions between college boys who were "enlightened" enough to oppose the draft and blue-collar boys who had gone into the military and then either seen the light regarding the war or suffered the supposed abuses of the military system. Liberal groups and antiwar politicians assailed the "inequities" of military justice and the "randomness" of its characterization of service when one left the military, despite the fact that 97% of those who served during Vietnam had been discharged under honorable circumstances. Within weeks of pardoning all the draft evaders, Mr. Carter invoked his powers as commander in chief and ordered that the "bad paper" military discharges of hundreds of thousands of deserters, malcontents and nonperformers be mandatorily upgraded, so long as they met one of six easily attained criteria.
Again President Carter had upset a delicately balanced apple cart among the Vietnam generation. By wiping the slate clean for those who had dodged the draft or created problems while in the military, he signaled to those who had served honorably during a horribly emotional period that their self-discipline, loyalty, wounds and even deaths did not matter. The Congress, and particularly the Committees on Veterans Affairs, where I then served as a House counsel, spent the next six months in emotional argument and negotiation. The House and Senate at times engaged in heated floor debates and recriminations before some measure of historical standards were mandated to accompany any veterans benefits awarded to recipients of Mr. Carter's falsely upgraded discharges."
After reading what you just posted, no wonder the questioner put his question this way.
Kerry OTHER THAN HONORABLE DISCHARGE....
If this comes out after the election then the American people have been duped...
Why won't the press hound him.... get Carl Cameron in his face... He can run but he shouldn't be allowed to hide...
That makes me SICK:((
I bet on further investigation we will find ties to Ted Kennedy in this crap...
Oh boy!
what kind of discharge might he have received if (according to a rumor) there was a document containing the words "Unfit for Command"?
What is a BCD?
I could see Chappaquiddick fats arranging to change the discharge during the Carter administration for Kerry. Between 1972 & 1978, Kerry went to law school. With an Honorable discharge, the GI bill could have been used. Without one - Kerry would have had to use Rich Wife #1. If Kerry was eligible for GI Bill benefits, I figure he would have used them.
The Bush DUI story broke about a week prior to the last presidential election ... it spread like an out of control wildfire fanned into a raging inferno by the liberal MSM. This Kerry receiving an initial Navy discharge under less than honorable conditions, later upgraded to honorable, story may smolder awhile but will be snuffed out by the MSM.
Bad Conduct Discharge.
Thanks. :-^
Navel discharge:
http://www.feargod.net/fluff.html
http://www.usatoday.com/news/science/2002-10-07-ignobel_x.htm
*grin*
But thanks to al bore...we now have the Internet and really don't need the MSM for the truth to surface....Thanks Al
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