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To: jerseygirl

Yes, the start should be on the 15/16, depending on when the moon is first spotted (I believe the official spotting occurs in Saudi Arabia).

The Islamic Calendar has it starting the 16th:
http://moonsighting.com/1425.html

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Science 'eclipsing moon watch'
http://www.gulf-daily-news.com/Story.asp?Article=93898&Sn=BNEW&IssueID=27207

A DEBATE is raging over which day Ramadan should officially start this year.

Traditional Islamic scholars say the Muslim Holy Month, which is based on the lunar calendar, should start with a confirmed sighting of the new moon.

Sharia judges will sit from today to wait for the first sighting, which could occur tonight.

If that is confirmed and supported by sightings elsewhere Ramadan will start tomorrow.

However, astronomers argue that the first sighting of the new moon can only happen tomorrow night, which means Ramadan should start on Friday.

This is based on scientific calculations that plot the course of the moon and even pinpoint its exact location in the sky.

They argue any moon sightings tonight will be misleading because people will not be seeing the new moon, but a last glimpse of the moon from the previous lunar month - known in Arabic as Sha'aban.

This argument is based on criteria set at the Eighth Meeting of the Unified Hijiri Calendar, which took place in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, in November 1998.

Recommendations from that meeting stated that Ramadan should only start when the sun, earth and moon are in one line. This is known as a conjunction, or the "birth" of the new moon and must occur before sunset.

It also stated that the moon should set after the sun.

In addition, the above calculations should be based on the latitude and longitude of Mecca.

Supporters of this theory say those requirements will only be met tomorrow night and not today.

"Yesterday the Islamic courts said they will sit today," said Bahrain University Professor of Physics Dr Waheeb Essa Alnaser.

"This is a bit strange for us. That is the controversy.

"Astronomers ask how can that be if you can't see the new moon? It hasn't been born yet.

"This is the problem. It will only be born tomorrow night."

According to Dr Alnaser, the new moon should be visible in Bahrain to people with very good eyesight tomorrow between 5.10pm and 5.26pm.

Muslims are supposed to fast the day after the first sighting, which in that case would be Friday.

Dr Alnaser says anyone fasting tomorrow will be doing so a day too early.

"How can you fast on the day of the new moon? Usually we fast after the birth of the moon," he said.

"No calendar at all says the new lunar month starts tomorrow. All the calendars, whether Jewish or Chinese, say it starts on Friday.

"If Ramadan starts tomorrow, the implications are that we have a wrong lunar month."

He predicts that could have implications for the hijiri calendar because it will be thrown off track.

However, problems exist because the recommendations of the meeting in 1998 have not been implemented by all countries.

Meanwhile, some of those that have done so also take into account two additional conditions, which means Ramadan in those countries may not start until Saturday.

"Some countries may fast tomorrow, some on Friday and some on Saturday," said Dr Alnaser.

"Some, such as Jordan, use science and astronomy - but they add more conditions.

"They say the new moon must be sighted for a minimum of 20 minutes and should be within eight degrees to the right or left of the sun.

"This condition will be met on Friday night, which means Saturday will be the first day of Ramadan.

"There will be a conflict. The same thing happened five or six years ago when there was a difference of four days between some countries.

"Nigeria started Ramadan on Monday, Egypt on Tuesday, Saudi Arabia on Wednesday and Iran on Thursday."

Dr Alnaser would like to see all Muslim countries adopt the 1998 recommendations, which were made by an official committee of Sharia scholars and astronomers.

"How do we solve it? Astronomy gives us the calculation and there is no mistake," said Dr Alnaser.

"But the Muslim school relies on sight.

"At least we should adhere to the recommendations of the meeting in 1998, which was highly official.

"In the old days it was different. Any Bedouin could go to Prophet Mohammed and say they saw the moon.

"Once that happened they would declare Ramadan.

"There is a lot of debate about whether they should take astronomical calculations or do it the primitive way.

"Muslim countries in East Asia such as Indonesia and Malaysia use the scientific calculations as recommended in 1998.

"They know when Ramadan and Eid will be. Things are going very smooth. There is no fuss.

"But here we depend on the Islamic school, which means people can't do things like plan a flight if they don't know when Ramadan will start."

However, traditionalists dismiss such theories and are adamant that the first day of Ramadan should depend on the actual sighting of the moon.

They say this should take place on the 29th or 30th of Sha'aban, which is today and tomorrow.

If it is not seen tonight Ramadan will automatically start on Friday anyway.

"It depends on the sighting of the moon," said Farahat Al Kindy, senior preacher at the Al Fateh Grand Mosque.

"Anyone that sees the moon can contact a special committee set up by the Islamic Affairs Ministry.

"If they get one or two calls it is official. As long as they are trusted and respected members of the community."


122 posted on 10/13/2004 11:03:15 AM PDT by nwctwx
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To: nwctwx

THIS is obviously where we get our word "LUNACY"!


338 posted on 10/14/2004 9:55:03 AM PDT by Hegemony Cricket (Attn: CBS: We may FReep in our jammies, but we won't take your lying, lying down!)
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To: nwctwx; All
"Yes, the start should be on the 15/16, depending on when the moon is first spotted (I believe the official spotting occurs in Saudi Arabia).

I hate to do this, but this song just popped into my head this afternoon. Just sitting at my desk, working a spreadsheet. Just mindlessly singing the chorus in my head, then the right side of the brain listened to the left side and I just went "Oh CRAP!"

CCR Bad Moon

CCR Bad Moon Lyrics
394 posted on 10/14/2004 4:54:42 PM PDT by Right_Handed_Writer
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