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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

"Still others may have worked under false identities and may not be able to prove that they have the necessary coverage credits to be entitled to benefits. "


Isn't this what you are worried about ? the illegal workers ? Looks like they don't get anything...

The only sticking spot is ones who were legal at one time, yet worked after becoming illegal ( overstaying their visas ) I would think that would be a bigger problem with other countries that we have allready worked out agreements with.


61 posted on 10/12/2004 12:10:39 PM PDT by RS (Just because they are out to get him doesn't mean he's not guilty)
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To: RS
Isn't this what you are worried about ? the illegal workers ? Looks like they don't get anything...

This is what I'm worried about:

"We have seen an earlier draft of this agreement that omits any mention or discussion of segregating earnings from Mexican or American wage earners working legally versus those working illegally."

And this:

"For example, a non-citizen retired or disabled worker may receive payments outside the United States (including benefits based on unauthorized work in the United States) if he/she is a citizen of a country that has a social insurance system that pays benefits to eligible U.S. citizens residing outside that country, which Mexico does."

And this:

"A totalization agreement overrides benefit restrictions to non-citizen spouses and children. Under current law, non-citizen spouses and children must have lived in the United States for at least five years (lawfully or unlawfully), and the family relationship to the worker must have existed during that time in order for them to receive benefits while outside the United States. A totalization agreement overrides this requirement."

And this:

"Mexican workers who ordinarily could not receive social security retirement benefits because they lack the required 40 coverage credits for U.S. earnings could qualify for partial Social Security benefits with as few as 6 coverage credits. In addition, under the proposed agreement, more family members of covered Mexican workers would become newly entitled because the agreements usually waive rules that prevent payments to noncitizens’ dependents and survivors living outside the United States."

And this:

"Even Mexican citizens who are not lawfully present in this country can receive social security benefits earned through unauthorized employment if they later return to live in Mexico. Similarly, under current law, noncitizen dependents and survivors can also receive social security benefits under some circumstances."

Looks like the illegals do get something after all.

62 posted on 10/12/2004 12:20:30 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker
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To: RS
The only sticking spot is ones who were legal at one time, yet worked after becoming illegal ( overstaying their visas ) I would think that would be a bigger problem with other countries that we have allready worked out agreements with.

You don't see any problems paying SS benefits to the wives and children of the illegal receiving benefits even if they've never stepped foot in the US?

This is already a problem with other countries, which is why section 211 was added to Social Security Protection Act.

63 posted on 10/12/2004 12:23:29 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker
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