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Bosnia: Muslim Commander Charged In Pre-Srebrenica Atrocities (Muslims caused brutal Serb response)
rferl.org ^ | Tuesday, 05 October 2004 | Don Hill

Posted on 10/10/2004 3:06:04 PM PDT by Destro

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Weapons, Cash and Chaos Lend Clout to Srebrenica's Tough Guy

By: John Pomfret, Washington Post Foreign Service,The Washington Post, February 16, 1994

SREBRENICA, Bosnia: Nasir Oric's war trophies don't line the wall of his comfortable apartment-- one of the few with electricity in this besieged Muslim enclave stuck in the forbidding mountains of eastern Bosnia. They're on a videocassette tape: burned Serb houses and headless Serb men, their bodies crumpled in a pathetic heap.

"We had to use cold weapons that night," Oric explains as scenes of dead men sliced by knives roll over his 21-inch Sony. "This is the house of a Serb named Ratso," he offers as the camera cuts to a burned-out ruin. "He killed two of my men, so we torched it. Tough luck."

Reclining on an overstuffed couch, clothed head to toe in camouflage fatigues, a U.S. Army patch proudly displayed over his heart (provided by Clinton?), Oric gives the impression of a lion in his den. For sure, the Muslim commander is the toughest guy in this town, which the U.N. Security Council has declared a protected "safe area."

1 posted on 10/10/2004 3:06:06 PM PDT by Destro
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To: Balkans

bump


2 posted on 10/10/2004 3:06:19 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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Srebrenica: The Untold Story

Naser Oric's forces killed over a thousand Bosnian Serb civilians and troops in the Srebrenica area and burned and destroyed at least 50 Serbian villages. It was these Bosnian Muslim attacks that caused a Bosnian Serb reaction and ultimately culminated in the Bosnian Serb takeover of Srebrenica on July 11, 1995. In Endgame: The Betrayal and Fall of Srebrenica, Europe's Worst Massacre since World War II, Christian Science Monitor reporter-turned-historian David Rohde conceded that "Serbs estimated that 2,000 Serbs---mostly soldiers but also several hundred civilians---had died around Srebrenica since the outbreak of the war. Over 50 Serb villages were burned, according to Serbs, and dozens of Serb graves desecrated…."

3 posted on 10/10/2004 3:07:53 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Destro

thanks for posting this


4 posted on 10/10/2004 3:26:48 PM PDT by Mount Athos
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Clinton chose the wrong side to fight for.


5 posted on 10/10/2004 3:26:50 PM PDT by oolatec
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To: Destro
Don't you love it. Muslims start aggression and then yell "we're victims!" when they get their a$$es handed back to them on a platter. Oh wait... that's so they have a reason to implore their "brothers and sisters" to come and help the brave mujihadeen in their jihad against the filthy kuffar. Now, where have I heard that before?
6 posted on 10/10/2004 3:29:29 PM PDT by USF
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To: oolatec

The side that makes videos of beheadings for trophies is usually the bad side to take - unless you are a member of teh Clinton administration.


7 posted on 10/10/2004 3:30:12 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: USF

Clinton fooled some of the people some of the time over siding with the Bosnian Muslims but not all of them for long.


8 posted on 10/10/2004 3:32:58 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Destro

This is the way of Islam throughout the world. They commit aggression until the infidels respond then the Islamics try to portray the infidels as cruel and intolerant.

Unfortunately the infidels often reach a point where they think the only solution is to start slaughtering muslims indiscriminately.

The solution is here:

"...It is our belief that Islamic terrorism will not be eliminated unless and until the ideology behind it is not exposed and eradicated. This is what we intend to do. "

http://www.apostatesofislam.com/main.htm


9 posted on 10/10/2004 3:34:11 PM PDT by OK
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To: OK

AMEN to that website!!!


10 posted on 10/10/2004 3:36:54 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Destro

"A Grave Breach" due out in early 2005 is set in Yugoslavia - past (WWII) and present (90's). Below is part of a conversation that takes place about the point of this thread:

“And it never ends? What was it about 'one man's revenge is the next man’s atrocity?' ”
“Absolutely. Do you think we are unaware of that? We’re brutal, John. Not stupid. Ultimately, it comes down to why should I be the one to forgive or forget? Let the next guy turn the other cheek, hmm?”


11 posted on 10/10/2004 3:43:01 PM PDT by jim macomber (Author: "Bargained for Exchange", "Art & Part", "A Grave Breach" http://www.jamesmacomber.com)
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You just don't get it, do you Destro?

Naser Oric didn't come to prominence until after the Serbs had ethnically cleansed the Drina Valley back in the Spring of 1992.

His activities post-date the Serbian massacres of Bosnian Muslim civilians at Bijeljina, Zvornik, and Bratunac.

So what do you hope to accomplish by amending article titles with your obviously false take on the history of the Balkans wars?

Is it really worthwhile to mislead others down the same path of ignorance and Orthodox inspired prejudice and bigotry that you yourself have chosen? What will you gain in the end except having made the world a more confused place for all your efforts?

12 posted on 10/10/2004 3:54:19 PM PDT by Hoplite
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I would not want to live next to head hunters either.


13 posted on 10/10/2004 5:42:52 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: USF

Balkan Analysis had an interesting analysis of the Albanian idea of victimology in Kosovo and Macedonia in January 2003. You may be interested in reading it. Here's a small excerpt from the analysis:

"The 2001 war in Macedonia simply could not have happened without the leadership, weapons and manpower supplied from Kosovo. That it was sustained until Macedonia was forced to make humiliating concessions owes partially to the fact that the Albanians won the PR war – by convincing the world that they – as a race – were the perennial victims of "Slav" oppression, whether it come from the Serbs or the hapless Macedonians. However, that was not the end of it: for with the latest poisoning scandal, they appear to have convinced themselves also of their unending victimization.

Symptoms of the Disease

The most striking feature here is that Macedonian Albanians really do seem to believe this. They believe themselves to have suffered as much as have their Kosovar kin, who, according to the mythology, are the province's only victims. Indeed, the mass expulsion of Serbs, Roma, Turks and Muslim Macedonians from Kosovo since 1999, and the destruction of over 100 Orthodox churches there – a still-continuing phenomenon – simply must have been the work of other people.

Never mind that Macedonia was a desperately sought-after ally for the West in 1999. Never mind that its human rights record was lauded as being far better than any of its neighbors: its Albanians were and are victims. Even now, they are still being oppressed – by themselves. Theirs has become a paranoid siege mentality. It states that Albanians are never to blame for their problems – both real and imagined.

Luckily for them (and not so coincidentally), the Western media complied in 2001 by labeling them as victims and Macedonians as "Slavs." But by joining up in the cult of victimology, Albanians have only degraded themselves."

You can find the rest here: http://www.balkanalysis.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=425


14 posted on 10/10/2004 6:10:13 PM PDT by Jane_N (Truth, like beauty....is in the eyes of the beholder! And please DON'T feed the trolls!)
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To: Jane_N

btt


15 posted on 10/10/2004 6:48:46 PM PDT by Ciexyz (At his first crisis, "President" Kerry will sail his Swiftboat to safety, then call Teddy.)
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To: OK
This is the way of Islam throughout the world. They commit aggression until the infidels respond then the Islamics try to portray the infidels as cruel and intolerant.

A-yup, even back to that lamer "but the crusades" arguement from the watery lefties. Is-slime was on the offensive then too.

16 posted on 10/10/2004 6:55:03 PM PDT by Axenolith (This space for rent.)
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To: Jane_N
Thanks. I hear a lot of this victimology on Islamic sites. Their masses have been brainwashed into believing it after reading their own exaggerated, distorted, and sometimes, just plain fictitious Islamic "news" stories (similar to the example of the poisonings in your article) saying how poor Muslims are being "persecuted."

Invariably they ask their Imam why Muslims are always the victims, and why Allah does not punish the tyrannical and unjust kuffur. Then a recipe for Jihad like this gets pumped into their brains:

"There will come a time when all the nations will be over you, surrounding you as animals surround the meat’, O prophet, is this because we will be small in number? They asked. ‘No, you will be many, but you will be like the spray or foam on water. Allah will take your courage and place it in the heart of your enemy, and take from your enemy their cowardliness and put it in your heart, and you will love this Dunyah (material world) and hate death"

17 posted on 10/10/2004 7:43:12 PM PDT by USF
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To: Jane_N

Why would anyone give any relevance to a cult that has been inter-breeding for 2000 years or so? How tough is it for the least brainwashed of us to realize that indeed.. they are mostly crazed, it's biologically impossible to ignore!... they being Muslims. I don't even Care what they "think" (an allegation at best)
Best Day... they maim each other.
We are already seeing that happen in Egypt, the foreplay with Kenneth Bigley, and today is the annivesary of the Palestinians throwing poor Leon off of the Achille Lauro in 76














18 posted on 10/10/2004 8:09:28 PM PDT by acapesket (never had a vote count in all my years here)
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To: Destro

bttt


19 posted on 10/10/2004 8:12:31 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Destro

"of SFOR, the international peace force in Bosnia, captured Oric and delivered him to the tribunal in The Hague. There had for some time been an indictment prepared against him, but the tribunal had not made it public. "

Surprise, surprise.


20 posted on 10/10/2004 8:42:00 PM PDT by AuntB ("Go count your blessings, and then complain to me"...MY Grandma!)
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