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To: Petronski
Fraternities are simply gangs who drink and dress nice.

No, there should be criminal charges filed against those involved in this boy's death, as well as against those adults in charge of this fraternity.

Texas criminalized certain kinds of hazing (all kinds involving alcohol), and, voila, we've had none of these deaths in the last two years.

13 posted on 10/08/2004 2:55:37 PM PDT by sinkspur ("I exist in the fevered swamps of traditional arcana. "--Cardinal Fanfani)
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To: sinkspur
Texas criminalized certain kinds of hazing (all kinds involving alcohol), and, voila, we've had none of these deaths in the last two years.

It was a very near thing with the SMU water intoxication incident late last year.
28 posted on 10/08/2004 3:00:23 PM PDT by Rastus (Forget it, Moby! I'm voting for Bush!)
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To: sinkspur
Texas criminalized certain kinds of hazing (all kinds involving alcohol), and, voila, we've had none of these deaths in the last two years.

True, but what happened to Alpha Phi Alpha at SMU a year or so ago where they forced a pledge to nearly drink himself to death?

Did I mention that the drink was water?


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30 posted on 10/08/2004 3:01:05 PM PDT by rdb3 (How much are the Muslims paying Pat Buchanan?)
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To: sinkspur
as well as against those adults in charge of this fraternity

No adult seemed to be in charge of mu Fraternity. We drank. We drank too much. So did non greeks... And we pushed the envelope of drinking. A crime? Perhaps, but I think it was youth.

31 posted on 10/08/2004 3:01:09 PM PDT by Drango (NPR-When government funds a "news" outlet that has a bias...it's no longer news...it's propaganda.)
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To: sinkspur
No, there should be criminal charges filed against those involved in this boy's death, as well as against those adults in charge of this fraternity.

What's with the 'no,' as though your statement is in disagreement with me. Of course there should be charges (at least manslaughter).

Texas criminalized certain kinds of hazing (all kinds involving alcohol), and, voila, we've had none of these deaths in the last two years.

So I guess there's no need to ban fraternities.

BTW, the 'hazing' in my fraternity's hell week consisted of thoroughly cleaning, rehabilitating and painting the common areas of the fraternity house, including carpet steaming and light finish carpentry. We drank, but no one forced anyone to drink anything. Most fraternities I know are like that.

39 posted on 10/08/2004 3:05:14 PM PDT by Petronski (KERRY'S GLOBAL TEST: Pleasing those who were bribed by Saddam.)
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To: sinkspur
"Fraternities are simply gangs who drink and dress nice."

Well no actually. In my salad days, admittedly rather a while ago, we handled our own money, ran our own kitchen and dealt with A/R & A/P issues without input from the school.

If, as periodically happened a pledge or brother got out of hand the officers and the brothers squared the issue away internally.

The issue of "binge drinking" was not an issue when I was in school ('65-'69) although in a mens school in So-west Pa. drinking was the norm and some could really pack it away. No body ever died that way though.

To those who know....Perge!

141 posted on 10/08/2004 4:00:15 PM PDT by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: sinkspur

The person who supplied the alcohol has been arrested...from Southlake, Tx. by the way!


169 posted on 10/08/2004 4:21:22 PM PDT by Froggie
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To: sinkspur
StopHazing.org
254 posted on 10/09/2004 7:26:00 AM PDT by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace (Michael <a href = "http://www.michaelmoore.com/" title="Miserable Failure">"Miserable Failure"</a>)
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To: sinkspur

Frats should not be banned, but this has to be some form of crime. Maybe a form of manslaughter.

I'm not a tee-totaller, but we've had too many generations of people laughing off bing-drinking while thousands of young people die in car wrecks or idiocy like this.

No, they didn't want to kill him. But this kind of reckless behavior shouldn't be tolerated. Let's wake up and stop it.

-- Joe


257 posted on 10/09/2004 6:22:12 PM PDT by Joe Republc
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