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Feds plan to track every car
World Net Daily ^ | October 7, 2004

Posted on 10/07/2004 4:41:36 PM PDT by JOAT

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To: ocr1
Insurance companies already use the velvet hammer in some locations by offering lower rates to cars equiped with on-board "black boxes" that record what was happening just before an accident, which pedal were being pressed, what speed the car was going, position of the steering wheel etc.

You'll be blackmailed into it or the auto mfgrs will be.

41 posted on 10/07/2004 5:18:18 PM PDT by muir_redwoods
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To: JOAT

And they'd know if you tampered with it by having police vehicles scan your system while driving in traffic much like the IFF transponders used in military aircraft.

Yes, I prefer having my plane squawk my location too - it keeps me on the ATCs screens and out of the windscreen of something much larger and faster. But on the road, where I go and how I get there is MY business, not the gov'ts.

To hell with trying to tamper with a system like this - that's treating a symptom. I'd rather treat the disease at that point: Vote from the rooftops and get rid of a government that was that heavily involved in my daily life.


42 posted on 10/07/2004 5:20:03 PM PDT by datura (The DNC is America's wannabe politburo.)
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To: PeterPrinciple
Maybe old cars will be worth a premium.

"Red Barchetta" an old song by 'Rush' is a song that deals with breaking the 'motor law' by driving a vehicle that is not controlled, that is piloted by an individual.

Maybe driving my musclecar will be against the 'law' in my lifetime, since it will not have a tracking feature...

43 posted on 10/07/2004 5:20:12 PM PDT by JOAT
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To: konaice
Although I don't like people tracking me. I even resist the grocery story card crap (not a single non-card store in Phoenix now). There is that one advantage to solving many crimes.

A couple of years ago a murder was solved because of the tracking system in the truck the perp drove.

Wouldn't the cops just love to have known where Scott Peterson drove the day his wife disapeared? Although that jerk is so damn smart, he probably would have spoofed it.

45 posted on 10/07/2004 5:21:18 PM PDT by narby (It's October now. LET'S ROLL!)
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To: datura
Vote from the rooftops

That's where we're heading my friend.

46 posted on 10/07/2004 5:21:47 PM PDT by JOAT
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To: LibWhacker
Another reason to buy one of those frame-off, completely restored '56 BelAirs I've been wanting.

I'd go with a '55 convertible, but point taken and appreciated!

47 posted on 10/07/2004 5:24:00 PM PDT by JOAT
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To: PeterPrinciple
Maybe old cars will be worth a premium.

They already are, just because of nostalgia; but if this stuff is true, they'll be higher in price.

Fr'instance, I'm now looking for a reasonable deal on a mid-fifties era Chevy or GMC panel truck, big six with a three-speed manual trans. I'll restore it and add an air conditioner, and that'll be my vehicle 'til I no longer need one.

48 posted on 10/07/2004 5:24:23 PM PDT by Marauder (Show me a liberal and I'll show you a sick individual.)
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To: narby

" A couple of years ago a murder was solved because of the tracking system in the truck the perp drove.
Wouldn't the cops just love to have known where Scott Peterson drove the day his wife disapeared?"

Oh, come on! You can't believe catching the odd murder (who sits in jail even without this technology I might add) justifies putting everyone under the magnifying glass of government survelence?

How much safer do you really think it will make you? Realistically, what risks will you NOT face once this system is fully inplemented that you face now?


49 posted on 10/07/2004 5:31:04 PM PDT by konaice
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To: JOAT

You know what "supposed to" means, right?


50 posted on 10/07/2004 5:31:28 PM PDT by xrp (Executing assigned posting duties flawlessly -- ZERO mistakes)
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To: TalBlack
There are too many geeks out there who would figure out how to ratf--k it, probably with very little effort.<--..IS that before or after the "death by pocket protector" bill is passed to discourage this type of geek behavior?
51 posted on 10/07/2004 5:37:54 PM PDT by M-cubed
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To: BenLurkin; Glenn
I am not impressed by this technology at all. The problem is, big government wants to use this technology to watch our every move, and take more of your money.

They are going to push that all private residential toilets must be equipped with sensor's that would analyze human waste to determine if you use drugs, are a cigarette smoker, if you have a disease (the insurance companies will love this) also to cancel insurance policys and reduce insurance settlements.
52 posted on 10/07/2004 5:39:35 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: JOAT
And then you'll have a RFID drivers license to use with your auto......

By Mark Baard

09:50 AM Oct. 06, 2004 PT

Some federal and state government officials want to make state driver's licenses harder to counterfeit or steal, by adding computer chips that emit a radio signal bearing a license holder's unique, personal information.

In Virginia, where several of the 9/11 hijackers obtained driver's licenses, state legislators Wednesday will hear testimony about how radio frequency identification, or RFID, tags may prevent identity fraud and help thwart terrorists using falsified documents to move about the country.

Privacy advocates will argue that the radio tags will also make it easy for the government to spy on its citizens and exacerbate identity theft, one of the problems the technology is meant to relieve.

Virginia is among the first states to explore the idea of creating a smart driver's license, which may eventually use any combination of RFID tags and biometric data, such as fingerprints or retinal scans.

"Nine of the 19 9/11 terrorists obtained their licenses illegally in Virginia, and that was quite an embarrassment," said Virginia General Assembly delegate Kathy Byron, chairwoman of a subcommittee looking into the use of so-called smart driver's licenses, which may include RFID technology.

The biometric data would make it harder for an individual to use a stolen or forged driver's license for identification. The RFID tags would make the licenses a "contact-less" technology, verifying IDs more efficiently, and making lines at security checkpoints move quicker.

Because information on RFID tags can be picked up from many feet away, licenses would not have to be put directly into a reader device. If there was any suspicion that a person was not who he claimed to be, ID checkers could take him aside for fingerprinting or a retinal scan.

States need to adopt technologies that can ensure a driver's license holder is who he says he is, said Byron.

Federal legislators may also require states to comply with uniform "smart card" standards, making state driver's licenses into national identification cards that could be read at any location throughout the country. The RFID chips on driver's licenses would at a minimum transmit all of the information on the front of a driver's license. They may also eventually transmit fingerprint and other uniquely identifiable information to reader devices.

But federal mandates for adding RFID chips to driver's licenses would create an impossible burden for states, which will have to shoulder the costs of generating new licenses, and installing reader devices in their motor vehicle offices, said a states' rights advocate.

"It could easily become yet another unfunded federal mandate, of which we already have $60 billion worth," said Cheye Calvo, director of the transportation committee at the National Conference of State Legislatures.

Drivers with E-ZPass tags on their windshields can already cruise through many highway toll booths without stopping, thanks to RFID technology.

RFID tags, which respond to signals sent out by special reader devices, have in some tests demonstrated broadcast ranges up to 30 feet. Reader devices have proven to possess similar "sensing" ranges. This is what has some privacy advocaters worried, including one testifying tomorrow before the Virginia legislators.

"The biggest problem is that these tags are remotely readable," said Christopher Calabrese, council for the American Civil Liberties Union's Technology and Liberty Program.

RFID tags inside driver's licenses will make it easy for government agents with readers to sweep large areas and identify protestors participating in a march, for example. Privacy advocates also fear that crooks sitting on street corners could remotely gather personal information from individual's wallets, such as their birth dates and home addresses -- the same information many bank employees use to verify account holders' identities.

Information from card readers could also be coupled with global positioning system data and relayed to satellites, helping the government form a comprehensive picture of the comings and goings of its citizens.

Driver's licenses with RFID tags may also become a tool that stalkers use to follow their victims, said Calabrese. "We're talking about a potential security nightmare."

But opponents of the use of RFID and other technologies in driver's licenses and state issued ID cards are conflating RFID's technological potential with its potential for abuse by government authorities, said Robert D. Atkinson, vice president at the Progressive Policy Institute.

"Putting a chip or biometric data on a driver's license doesn't change one iota the rules under which that information can be used," said Atkinson.

The Virginia legislators may balk at the use of RFID in driver's licenses, however, unless they can be proven to be immune from use by spies and identity thieves.

"I can't see us using RFID until we're comfortable we can without encroaching on individual privacy, and ensure it won't be used as a Big Brother technology by the government," said Joe May, chairman of the Virginia General Assembly's House Science and Technology Committee.


53 posted on 10/07/2004 5:41:29 PM PDT by deport ("Because we believe in human dignity..." [President Bush at the UN])
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To: JOAT

Guess I won't be buying any new cars after 2010.


54 posted on 10/07/2004 5:45:04 PM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights (Truth is not Partisan)
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To: JOAT
'Ya mean something like this bucket-o-rust? ;-)


55 posted on 10/07/2004 5:50:46 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: mhking

56 posted on 10/07/2004 5:54:38 PM PDT by BenLurkin (We have low inflation and and low unemployment.)
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To: JOAT
World Net Daily thrives on providing meat to the paranoid.

There's no agency can unilaterally do this. Perhaps Congress can pass a law to this effect, which will then be subject to judicial review if it is enacted.

Until then, wetting pants is silly.

57 posted on 10/07/2004 5:55:10 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone
Oh nuts . . . . . . too late.
58 posted on 10/07/2004 5:58:15 PM PDT by BenLurkin (We have low inflation and and low unemployment.)
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To: BenLurkin

LOL, if his thighs were pretty cold beforehand, perhaps it wasn't all bad.


59 posted on 10/07/2004 6:05:41 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: JOAT

Every day WND descends further into irrelevancy. This was picked up from a paranoid, left-wing weekly.


60 posted on 10/07/2004 6:07:53 PM PDT by MediaMole
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