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Feds plan to track every car
World Net Daily ^ | October 7, 2004

Posted on 10/07/2004 4:41:36 PM PDT by JOAT

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To: narby

At no other point in your life are you as controlled by the government than when you drive. I don't see why something like this adds fuel to the fire.


21 posted on 10/07/2004 4:56:57 PM PDT by Se7eN
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To: JOAT

Tracking every vehicle: What's the difference in this, and On-Star?


22 posted on 10/07/2004 4:58:22 PM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (The Swiftboat Vets - Patriotic Americans STILL serving their country!)
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To: Se7eN
Ths Socialists tried this in Germany...trucks only....to monitor drivers and make truckers pay a road usage fee...

It was a big disaster.....didn't work at all..................

23 posted on 10/07/2004 4:59:33 PM PDT by spokeshave (<img src="http://photopile.com/photos/dead/auctions/146584.jpg">)
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To: JOAT
Hahah yeah right. The government can't even keep track of things that it is supposed to like:

Illegal Aliens
Billions of $$ in wasted taxpayer money
Nuclear secrets from Los Alamos

24 posted on 10/07/2004 5:00:37 PM PDT by xrp (Executing assigned posting duties flawlessly -- ZERO mistakes)
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To: The Sons of Liberty
Tracking every vehicle: What's the difference in this, and On-Star?

Who has the database (OnStar appears to be an early implementation of the technology).

25 posted on 10/07/2004 5:01:01 PM PDT by steveegg (John F'em Ke(rr)y - I am for & against a lot of things, but I was always for higher taxes.)
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To: The Sons of Liberty
What's the difference in this, and On-Star?

On-Star is only in GM vehicles?

Commercial truckers already have their every movement tracked and scrutinized, so now that the bugs have been worked out, time to 'take it to the next level.'

26 posted on 10/07/2004 5:02:59 PM PDT by JOAT
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To: JOAT

 

Alternative energy resource.

 

27 posted on 10/07/2004 5:05:49 PM PDT by Fintan (Oh...Am I supposed to read the article???)
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To: narby

no no no... you have to replace the antenna with a wire coat hanger.

For the ultimate protetion, get rid of the secret tranceiver they put in the gas cap, and stuff an old rag in there. (Malatov Buick style)


28 posted on 10/07/2004 5:06:18 PM PDT by KneelBeforeZod (Deus Lo Volt!)
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To: Se7eN

One thing that's been overlooked here. If they can monitor all of the functions the on-board computer handles, they can also TURN IT OFF REMOTELY AT ANY TIME! Speeding? No problem, we'll just turn off your ignition, lock the doors and windows, and the nice officer will come and let you out on your way to jail.

Just in time for Kerry and the Communists to take over politically and employ all these cool new gadgets to make our lives so much better. Damn, that makes me want to do extremely terrible things to liberals everywhere.


29 posted on 10/07/2004 5:06:24 PM PDT by datura (The DNC is America's wannabe politburo.)
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To: spokeshave

Yeah, nobody wants to pay out of pocket needlessly. When I went to LA and planned to register my car, I had to go get a smog check that was $55. I wasn't too happy about that, and Florida never made me do it. Thankfully I left that liberal cesspool and came back.

The reason there are so many laws on the road is because automobiles are dangerous weapons in the wrong situation. Privacy should be for the home in my opinion. When you drive, you are at risk and putting people at risk. I think that everyone in this case has a right to know about where you are and what you're doing.

I can't seem to think of how such a device would impact me in a negative way. Eventually people will have to come to terms with the fact that we will never be completely safe in automobiles until they become guided. Be it rails or hover with autopilot it's the logical evolution of automobiles. However, I'm not fond of that. I own a 2002 Trans Am and I adore driving it around. I wouldn't appreciate having that luxury taken away, so we make a sacrifice. Danger for leisure.

I know this isn't about car safety. It's about the government tracking my car. I don't really care personally what they track, so long as I live in safety. There is only one thing I expect from the government and that is their protection. I can take it from there. I enjoy my personal responsibility.

GEICO knows every little detail about my car because it has a VIN. GOod for them. It saved me the trouble of having to prove that my car had ABS, airbags and an anti-theft device built in..


30 posted on 10/07/2004 5:07:15 PM PDT by Se7eN
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To: JOAT
Another reason to buy one of those frame-off, completely restored '56 BelAirs I've been wanting. Or maybe a '32 Ford hotrod?

I'll be damned if they're gonna shove a GPS tracking gizmo up my tailpipe.

31 posted on 10/07/2004 5:08:47 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: Se7eN
Well, actually.... There are merits, despite the fact that I resent being tracked.

For one thing, you could solve a great number of crimes simply by knowing who was where and when.

And I'm not bothered too much by the fact that when I fly my airplane, the feds track me with radar almost continuously. I leave my transponder on all the time so they can, because if I loose my engine, it's a quick thing to punch in 7700 [ident] and they know I've got a serious problem and where I am.

On the other hand. I think it was Franklin who said that citizens seeking to trade liberty for security will get neither. This technology certianly has the ability to limit liberty, and I will resist it because I don't trust governments of any kind. They ALL must be watched.

32 posted on 10/07/2004 5:09:46 PM PDT by narby (It's October now. LET'S ROLL!)
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To: xrp
I hope your post was sarcasm.

Illegal Aliens

The government is encouraging the invasion. Do you seriously believe we could NOT stop hordes of illegals entering this country? If it was a priority, it could be accomplished in one month. What is lacking is the will. (Shooting invaders, patrolling in Abrams tanks, overflying with surveillance blimps...yeah it could be done.

Billions of $$ in wasted taxpayer money

Ever heard of 'black' programs? Do you really think a hammer 'costs' $400? Funding for covert ops has to come from somewhere and be untraceable.

Nuclear secrets from Los Alamos

Hey, the Chinese needed some 'help' to gain parity with the US. All it took was some investing in re-election campaigns....

33 posted on 10/07/2004 5:10:14 PM PDT by JOAT
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To: JOAT

It'll never work.

There are too many geeks out there who would figure out how to ratf--k it, probably with very little effort.


34 posted on 10/07/2004 5:10:35 PM PDT by TalBlack
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To: JOAT

"its purpose is to "use advanced technology to improve the efficiency and safety of our nation's surface transportation system." "

Riiight, [wink], always stealing liberty under the guise of helping the people.


35 posted on 10/07/2004 5:10:52 PM PDT by Veritas et equitas ad Votum (If the Constitution "lives and breathes", it dies.)
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in Japan, they have an annoying bell that rings when you exceed the max freeway speed limit. I guess you can disable it, but I think they have those "safety checks" (read another damn tax) that states like VA have


36 posted on 10/07/2004 5:11:02 PM PDT by KneelBeforeZod (Deus Lo Volt!)
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To: JOAT

While it might sound nifty to know that a traffic accident just happened 5 miles ahead (airbag deploy detector transmits to nearest roadside traffic sensor, which notifies State Patrol and alerts on-comming traffic via the same roadside sensor/transmitters), the likelyhood of this technology CAUSING as many problems as it solves seems to escape everyone's attention.

So what happens when 5000 cars decide to exit a freeway just because one lane is blocked ahead? What does that do to the local surface streets? How many additional accidents are caused?

What happens when joe hacker breaks into the system and decides to shut down each engine that passes a certain transmitter, or alerts police to accidents that don't exist while banks are robbed elsewhere?

How many private citizend will have to be jailed for disconnecting these privacy invading devices the minute they drive off the dealers lot?

The benifits are oversold, new risks are overlooked (did anyone predict airbags would kill kids, or allow death-wish driving?).

The promise will be that this is the first step toward self driving cars - hop in, key in your destination and watch a movie while the car drives you there. The reality will be something totally different.

To error is human. To really F**K things up, you need a computer.


37 posted on 10/07/2004 5:11:50 PM PDT by konaice
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To: TalBlack
There are too many geeks out there who would figure out how to ratf--k it, probably with very little effort.

Of course if the penalty for tampering with it is ten years in a "Federal pound-me-in-the-*** prison," the instances of tampering would probably be fairly low.

38 posted on 10/07/2004 5:13:13 PM PDT by JOAT
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To: hiredhand
Or....jam the GPS receiver on board and it won't exactly tell the "truth" about where you really are :-).

It's a bit expensive, but I can get you the equipment to do just that. It's a local "GPS simulator" and it can fool your GPS into thinking it's anyplace on earth. They use it for testing receivers.

39 posted on 10/07/2004 5:14:38 PM PDT by narby (It's October now. LET'S ROLL!)
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To: JOAT
In Houston the toll road authority allows people to purchase something called the 'Easy Pass". It's a device that is attached to the car. This allows people to just go past the toll both and the computer picks up their signal and bills the person.

Wouldn't it be interesting if the gov't had sensors around the city that pick up the same signal and keep a record of the vehicles that have Easy Pass so they can construct data about people traveling and where? For statistical purposes only of course (inset me whistling dixie here).

40 posted on 10/07/2004 5:14:41 PM PDT by isthisnickcool (Only dummies play poker with George W. Bush.)
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