National ID card feared in license standards

THE WASHINGTON TIMES ^ | October 7, 2004 | Audrey Hudson

[neverdem]

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The Washington Times
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National ID card feared in license standards

By Audrey Hudson
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
Published October 7, 2004

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Proposed federal standards for new driver's licenses contained in the intelligence-reform bill moving through Congress creates a national identification card, according to civil liberties groups on both sides of the aisle.

    The Senate passed its intelligence-reform bill yesterday by a 96-2 vote, and the House is expected to vote on its version by the end of the week.

    Sen. John McCain, Arizona Republican and one of the amendment's sponsors, defended the legislation that was quietly added Friday. However, he said the provision still needs work, which could be completed when both bills are hammered out in conference committee.

    "I think it's a good amendment, and it deserves a lot of discussion, but it needs the administration's input," Mr. McCain said.

    Asked if the bill would create a national identification card, Mr. McCain said, "I don't think so, that's not really what I was trying to do, but I thought it was a good amendment."

    Opponents say, however, the House provision goes a step further and creates a tri-national identification card by requiring states to create and share databases among themselves and with Mexico and Canada.

    "A lot of conservatives are concerned about this idea," said James Plummer, policy director for Consumer Alert, a free-market advocacy group.

    The American Civil Liberties Union is also lobbying against the House and Senate measures, and agrees the lower body's attempt to share information across borders is a dangerous precedent.

    "They are setting the gold standard for what is...

[neverdem]

"Vare are your papers", the Gestapo shouted!

[San Jacinto]

I don't think anyone should have to display such an ID card unless----

They want to drive or

They want to vote.

[Publius6961]

What is the Freeper standard for determining when someone loses an argument by default?

____________________'s Law?

[grobdriver]

If McCain is involved, you know it's going to be:
1. Stupid
2. Invasive
3. Dangerous

[Chuckster]

I don't trust McCain as far as I can throw his horse.

[Stellar Dendrite]

And Sean Hannity will still kiss his a** at the end of the day.

[Pastnowfuturealpha]

Year after year they keep trying to do this -

I wonder if there is anyone left in the media who will get this story before the public - probably not - and that might be why they are trying this again -

just a thought -

[Roccus]

And the problem is.......?

[1FASTGLOCK45]

If a cop asks for your name, you have to give it to
him. That's what i understand. If you don't give them your name if they ask, they can retain you, and then you just go down hill from there. our country is slowly sinking into a ghestopo world.

[rolling_stone]

We already have a National ID card, the Social Security card, it's hard to live in the US without one.

[swampfx]

1st Policeman: May we see your papers?
Civilian: I don't think I have them on me.
1st Policeman: In that case, we'll have to ask you to come along.
Civilian: Wait. It's just possible that I...Yes, here they are..
2nd Policeman: These papers expired three weeks ago. You'll have to come along.

[Publius6961]

ghestopo?

[Roccus]

The bottom line on my Social Security card states:

"FOR SOCIAL SECURITY AND TAX PURPOSES - NOT FOR IDENTIFICATION"

[Roccus]

If the police ask you for identification and you can not provide it, they hav the right to detain you until such proof is forthcoming.

[sheana]

Doesn't matter what it says. The first question everyone asks you is......social security # please? I called my insurance company yesterday regarding a claim they hadn't paid. That was the first question from the rep. Social Security numbers were not set up to be ID's but that is what they have become.
Try calling almost anyone you do business with and they look you up via your social security number.

[Blue Jays]

Good Evening All-

"...Ghestopo^TM..."

Yet another cool FReeperism is born...

~ Blue Jays ~

[neverdem]

We already have a National ID card, the Social Security card, it's hard to live in the US without one.

The SS card is an easily forged identification number. This is an ID card, whose database they want to swap to Canada and Mexico. Imagine all of the identity theft that will happen.

"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security." Benjamin Franklin

[Roccus]

Just because they ask doesn't make it legal. My SS card is an official gov't. document and it says that they are wrong. Have I given this information at times? Yes, but only because I was too lazy to fight it.

[freeeee]

If the police ask you for identification and you can not provide it, they hav the right to detain you until such proof is forthcoming.

Not true. They need "reasonable and articuable cause" to suspect someone of a crime to detain anyone against their will. Lack of identification alone does not meet these criteria.

[Ron in Acreage]

We already have many national IDs. Public and private. Drivers licenses, SS cards, Credit Cards, phone numbers, voter cards,license plates, ATMs, gas pumps,etc. All these IDs and devices trace all of our transactions and our movements. Everytime you use a credit card you are being traced.Rent a movie etc. Cell phones are tracked, LoJack systems, On Star systems, Satellite radios etc.A universal or national ID will not hurt anyone. What any government agency wants to find out about us is already available to them using the existing systems and IDs we have now. You would have to live like Ted Kazinski to possibly evade them.