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Noonan: Why Democrats Become Republicans
NewsMax.Com ^ | October 7, 2004 | Chuck Noe

Posted on 10/07/2004 3:08:46 PM PDT by Kaslin

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To: ken5050

It's an old San Francisco saying from the '60s or '70s. I don't know who came up with it.


41 posted on 10/07/2004 4:26:20 PM PDT by liberallarry
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To: Kaslin

(Sigh.)

It all depends on the Democrat. Would she paint Zell Miller with the same broad brush?

The problem with Mrs. Noonan's conclusions is that there will always be a second party to contend with. Will that opposition be loyal or not? That is the real question in my mind.

Conservatives already left the Democratic party en masse in the 80's and 90's. And they left a power vacuum in their wake. Take a long hard look at the Democratic party circa 2004 and ask: do you like what you see? Do you like who rushed in to fill that power vacuum once most of the conservatives left?

Trying to get the few remaining conservative Democrats to jump ship doesn't seem to me to be a very helpful suggestion.

And for the record, I do think she is a beautiful woman, both internally and externally. I just disagree with her on this. Therein lies the difference between loyal opposition and the disloyal.


42 posted on 10/07/2004 5:01:33 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Reports of the demise of the conservative Democrat have been greatly exaggerated....)
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To: diamond6

I had a similar thought and commented on it last night. I see the poisoned political discourse swirling around me. I've read far too much history in my life to not draw some very unpleasant analogies.

What I see is scaring the living hell out of me.


43 posted on 10/07/2004 5:07:37 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Reports of the demise of the conservative Democrat have been greatly exaggerated....)
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To: savedbygrace

Two words always come to mind when I think of Peggy. Lovely and Genuine.. And thanks for the new rule, if I think more about her I might get in trouble, but she definately stirs my being.


44 posted on 10/07/2004 5:08:25 PM PDT by freethinkingman
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To: Recovering_Democrat

Lets just hope that millions are coming to the same conclusion you came to.


45 posted on 10/07/2004 5:28:47 PM PDT by diamond6 (Everyone who is for abortion has already been born. Ronald Reagan)
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To: freethinkingman

Unless someone can figure out a way to post a pix of her mind, we'll have to content ourselves with what we have.


46 posted on 10/07/2004 5:50:24 PM PDT by savedbygrace
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To: diamond6
I am one of those who is coming to that conclusion. Spent the WHOLE day fisking a letter of a relative that my uncle classified as having 'gone to the dark side.' I was less charitable, but she is at least the third family member who has willingly drunk the Kool-aid of the Marxist left. I dont even dignify the Democratic party with much of an American purpose anymore, because, as pointed out by another poster, the vacuum that was filled by the absence of conservatives has been filled with ideology that can only spell doom for America. Sad thing is, there are still decent people who cling to the old notions of the Democrat party, and one is hard pressed to get them to see the danger that has come about by letting the fanatical Left wing take it over.

Even so, I have always been skeptical of the Democrat party through most of my short life. I can understand where the idea that Republicans are rich snobs against the lower class came from. But I cannot understand why, after a 100 years this sort of classification would hold relevance, that so few people cannot see how things have changed.

Its why I refuse to even use the word 'liberal' anymore. It has been so bent out of shape that it no longer precisely describes the political war we are in. Democrats are MARXIST, plain and simple. And in ten short years, we have forgotten how to constantly spell out the horror of Marxism for people.

As for the divisiveness, America has been through this before. I said to my husband tonight : "we are seeing families go against each other, just like in the War of Northern aggression."

I think the best thing conservatives can do is continue to bolster up those who have fallen unsure of what is going on, letting them know that there is a positive side to choose, and that we keep stressing how different we are from the Marxist, and how choosing that side will only destroy the country.

47 posted on 10/07/2004 5:53:33 PM PDT by Alkhin ("We are not this story's author, who fills time and eternity with his purpose." G.W.Bush)
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To: RKBA Democrat

Wasn't it much, much worse in the 1800's & 1930's?? All those nasty editorial cartoons... How is this any worse than '68? Didn't pols used to duel with real guns?

I see this election as nearly the last gasp from the Baby Boomers trying to recapture their idyllic youth.

I heard Hugh Hewitt or one of those talkies going over the demographics of likey voters & 43 has the youth vote while JFK has the old hippie vote.


48 posted on 10/07/2004 7:38:38 PM PDT by Captiva (DVC)
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To: Kaslin

Thanks for the post! I am glad she is more involved lately. She just keeps getting better!


49 posted on 10/07/2004 7:44:25 PM PDT by Museum Twenty (Proud supporter of President George W. Bush)
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To: Kaslin
in several speeches he has claimed to have visited injured ttroops in hospitals. anyone know of any such visits?
50 posted on 10/07/2004 8:03:55 PM PDT by tazannie
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in several speeches he has claimed to have visited injured ttroops in hospitals. anyone know of any such visits?

No way. If he had, don't you think the media would have been right there with him?

51 posted on 10/07/2004 8:43:02 PM PDT by Kaslin (Stick a fork in Kerry, he is done)
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To: Kaslin

of course the camera crew would be there, but what if his reception was a bit, say, "icy"? would we ever see the film? I would love to hear from any troops he might have visited.


52 posted on 10/07/2004 8:57:00 PM PDT by tazannie
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To: Kaslin

I've been missing Peggy. So good to hear from her. Bump.


53 posted on 10/07/2004 10:55:08 PM PDT by Ruth A.
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To: kempster

"Anyone know why Zell Miller had to be replaced?"

AS I recall, he had to return to the Senate to cast a vote. Something the democrat candidates can't be bothered with.


54 posted on 10/07/2004 11:10:58 PM PDT by fetts (Getting a straight answer from Kerry is like nailing jello to a tree)
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To: Captiva

Depends. Nasty editorial cartoons? We do those with photoshop, and many can be seen on FR. (I suspect my fellow Democrats do similar things on DU or other venues, so I'm not saying one side is worse than the other on this). Judging from what I see here....some are quite funny, others are vicious.

I think it's probably on a par with the 1930's or certain parts of the 1800's. I don't think 1968 is a good analogy. I view 1968 as a noisy minority trying to wrest control of the Democratic party. The GOP didn't really have the same issue to contend with at the time.

I can only tell you what I see. What I see is that support for GWB vice JFK is split pretty much on class lines. Age doesn't seem to be much of a factor.


55 posted on 10/08/2004 7:00:56 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Rumors of the demise of the conservative Democrat have been greatly exaggerated....)
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To: Pukin Dog
I found this one:
56 posted on 10/10/2004 5:51:29 PM PDT by Forgiven_Sinner (Erasmus fan)
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To: Pukin Dog
And this one:
57 posted on 10/10/2004 5:54:23 PM PDT by Forgiven_Sinner (Erasmus fan)
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To: diamond6

We seem to say that every four years - hatred and polorization. As a very young boy in the 30's I remember my dad, saying - "Roosevelt is a Communist." He actually wasn't far off though given Roosevelt's love affair with Joe Stalin.

The difference today is there is so much media and most people are bombarded by TV and radio - there isn't time for reflective reasoning before mouthing off compared to the printed word (not including the Internet of course which is also instant).


58 posted on 10/10/2004 6:34:55 PM PDT by matchwood
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