Posted on 10/07/2004 1:44:58 PM PDT by MagnusMaximus1
"I simply suggested there would be no kneejerk reaction from me, especially when I was unfamiliar with the particular biases of the website posting the article."
Well the website is a very liberal one. The fact that they oppose this bill has nothing to do with conservative opposition to it. And there's plenty of that. This whole thing is a civil rights issue, and civil rights affect both ends of the political spectrum. It may be the only place we all agree.
This is a press release.
I want to see the actual bill on this.
Er, you do know that the "R" stands for, right?
Hillary could designate the NRA a terrorist organization. What then???
Then I guess it would be time to use all that "military training".
Go here, for a .pdf file containing the bill:
http://eff.org/Privacy/Surveillance/Terrorism/PATRIOT/20040924_Hastert_bill.pdf
Note:
The text of the bill is 335 pages long. It's a lot to wade through.
I tend to agree with him.
Why not post the parts in the bill that confirm this press release?
"Are there today Islamofascists willing to blow up our buildings? If "yes" then LESS CIVIL LIBERTIES FOR YOU!"
Passage of this bill is an admission that the so-called "terrorists" have won. You really need to stop drinking the Bush/Cheney campaign "we are more secure today" Kool Aid.
If the GOP establishment passes this bill, they will lose their majority within the next two elections. If Bush signs this bill, he loses November 2nd.
I don't know what country YOU come from, but, believe me, we Americans value our freedoms and will eventually punish those who try to take it away.
Are we counting the ones who've personally FReeped sKerry or Shrillary, if and when they get elected President?
Here's the Gun Owners of America's take on this bill:
House 9/11 Bill Will Set Up A Database On All Americans, Create National ID Card
Gun Owners of America
8001 Forbes Place, Suite 102
Springfield, VA 22151
(703)321-8585
Monday, October 4, 2004
What part of "Constitution" don't they understand?
In a frightening move, House Republicans -- members of the party that supposedly favors "limited government" -- are pushing an Orwellian nightmare in Congress in the name of "national security."
In the wake of the 9/11 Commission's recommendations, the Senate -- unlike the House -- has prepared legislation which would closely track that Commission's findings by reorganizing the intelligence services in the federal government. The Senate bill is relatively innocuous compared to the House version, HR 10.
Unfortunately, many of the so-called Republicans in the House are pushing this nightmarish legislation which would:
* Create a massive government database containing personal information on every American man, woman and child;
* Standardize (i.e., nationalize) the process of issuing driver's licenses -- thereby taking the final step toward creating a national ID card; and
* Set up a system whereby any employer or industry identified by the Attorney General would have to submit employment applicants to the government for approval -- complete with fingerprints or other "biometric identifiers."
Now, let's look at how each of these problems could affect your rights -- gun rights in particular:
(1) The government database is created by section 2173 of HR 10, a bill introduced by House Speaker Dennis Hastert. It would allow airline passengers to be screened against lists containing "all appropriate records." What would be "appropriate" would be within the exclusive discretion of the bureaucrats, but could include medical records, confidential financial records, library records, and gun records.
(2) The driver's license standards are in section 3052. They would allow the federal government to set standards as high as desired to determine who may or may not obtain a driver's license. Please note that you need a driver's license (or similarly regulated state-issued photo ID) to purchase a gun from a dealer. But, increasingly, you also need it to travel on any form of transportation (airplane, bus, train, car), to get a job, to open a checking account, to cash a check, to check into a hotel, to rent a car, or to purchase cigarettes or alcohol. If the federal government can set standards so high as to deny you a driver's license or photo ID, it has effectively turned you into a non-person.
(3) Section 2142 would allow the U.S. attorney general to promulgate any regulations he desires concerning (a) what employers must submit the names and fingerprints of all employment applicants to the FBI, (b) what standards the government will use in approving or disapproving the employment applicants, and (c) whether or not the government's "disapproval" will prevent the applicant from being hired.
There is nothing in section 2142 which would prohibit an anti-gun attorney general from (a) requiring the resumes and fingerprints of every employment applicant in the country, (b) disapproving them on the basis of gun ownership or, for that matter, any factor he viewed as not being politically correct, and (c) prohibiting any employer from hiring an applicant thus blacklisted.
ACTION: Write your representative. Ask him, in the strongest terms, to vote against any "9/11 legislation" that (1) creates a government database of personal information on law-abiding Americans, (2) moves toward the use of a driver's license as a National ID Card, or (3) sets up a system for fingerprinting and approving job applicants in the private sector.
You can use the pre-written message below and send it as an e-mail by visiting the GOA Legislative Action Center at http://www.gunowners.org/activism.htm (where phone and fax numbers are also available).
----- Pre-written message -----
Dear Representative:
Movement toward an oppressive government does not make me feel more "secure."
Therefore, I would urge you, in the strongest terms, to please vote against HR 10, The 9/11 Recommendations Implementation Act, if it:
* Creates a massive government database containing personal information on every American man, woman and child [section 2173];
* Standardizes (i.e., nationalizes) the process of issuing driver's licenses -- thereby taking the final step toward creating a national ID card [section 3052];
* Sets up a system whereby any employer or industry identified by the Attorney General would have to submit employment applicants to the government for approval -- complete with fingerprints or other "biometric identifiers" [section 2142].
Frankly, the ideas which are being floated with respect to this legislation are simply horrible, and are surely unworthy of those who have sworn to protect the Constitution.
Back to the drawing board... we can have liberty AND security... I smell liberal pork in this designed to thwart its original intent... who's with me?
You've gotta love that unbiased title for this article.
Liberty for citizens and deport illegal or ungreatful immigrant.
Unfortunately, the enemy we face is unlike any Jefferson probably imagined when he said that.
In any case, I would rather live in a country that deported/interned Muslims than one which had national ID cards/databases on every citizen.
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