[Pukin Dog]

I have both Samuel Griffin and Ralph D. Sawyer.

Good man. Have you seen the Roger Ames translation? It is awesome.

[wildbill]

RE: Ames translation

Wu Ch'i said: Horse-borne drums, ordinary drums, bells and bells with clappers are used to impress the ears and flags, banners, streamers and pennants to impress the eyes.

I have enough whistles and bells in my collection now :-)