Feathered ancestor of T. rex unearthed [Transitional species]

Nature Magazine ^ | 06 October 2004 | Zeeya Merali

[Dimensio]

Always "evolving" - hey, just like your theories of evolution! Funny thing about truth ... it DOES NOT "evolve".

Why is it that you never actually have a reasoned, intelligent response, but you still feel the need to come back with inane, meaningless retorts? Do you honestly think that you are discrediting the theory of evolution by demonstrating that you are fundamentally ignorant of science?

[Dimensio]

YOU look it up! ALL the prominent evolutionists are atheists? Why the shock? You'd have to be one since you would be denying what the Bible says.

Atheist != "one who does not interpret the Bible literally".

It appears that you are not only fundamentally ignorant of science, but also of simple English.

[nmh]

Atheist != "one who does not interpret the Bible literally".

It appears that you are not only fundamentally ignorant of science, but also of simple English.

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Sweetie, an atheist is one who does NOT believe in God.

It's YOU who is ignorant, to put it nicely in simple English. You fantasize all you like that "evolution" is objective science but it is NOT. Never has been and never will be. All your theories that defy the the rule of science won't make it so!

BTW, it is NOT a coincidence that ALL prominent evolutionists are atheists. They don't believe in God.


GEESH! How dense can one be????

[Dimensio]

Sweetie, an atheist is one who does NOT believe in God.

Correct by implication from the definition that an atheist is one who lacks belief in gods (that's all gods, not just the God that you think exists but also Zeus, Brahama, Odin, Baal and every other deity construct worshipped throughout human history and every possible deity construct period).

Evolution does not imply a lack of belief in gods. To assert as much, as you have done, is to lie.

You fantasize all you like that "evolution" is objective science but it is NOT. Never has been and never will be. All your theories that defy the the rule of science won't make it so!

You keep saying this over and over again, but constantly repeating the same thing does not make you right. You have never actually explained why evolution is false, you merely assert it as though you're exempt from providing evidence and you seem to be so arrogant as to believe that your word should be trusted without question.

Why should I believe you when you tell me that evolution is false, especially when you have demonstrated that you are fundamentally ignorant of the theory?

BTW, it is NOT a coincidence that ALL prominent evolutionists are atheists.

You've asserted this again, but you again failed to provide any evidence. It is as meaningless and baseless as the claim "ALL prominent Christians are racists".

[stremba]

By believing in evolution, you would be denying a literal reading of the Bible. I agree with you on that point. However, not all people who believe in God also believe that the Bible should be read literally. If you read the Bible with some interpretation, you could reconcile it with evolution (ie. God created plants, then fish, then birds, then mammals, then people. If God used evolution as his mechanism for creating these creatures, then the order follows roughly what is predicted by the theory of evolution.) I simply object to your blanket unfounded assertion that ALL evolutionists are also atheists. For example, I think most people would regard Darwin himself as a prominent evolutionist. He was not an atheist (despite the crap I've seen on creationist web sites about this.) What you mean to say is that all evolutionists hold religious beliefs that differ from yours. That may be true, but it is irrelevant to the debate.

[nmh]

I am puzzled as to why you do not accept what a atheist is - someone who refuses to believe in God. This IS the definition of that.

As for the backgrounds of prominent atheists, YOU should know who they are. Or are you so blind as to not even know that? It's not a secret and by definition, not believing in God and what He says they remain atheists. So, if you are too lazy to check out the underlying beliefs of evolutionists then by definition of what an atheist is that also applies to even the less prominent ones.

It's so sad to run into people like you. Apparently you are an evolutionist as well. Most likely you like to label yourself a "Christian" too however when you do that you only deceive yourself.

The Judo Christian God is not an "ape". Humans are created in His image. Furthermoer, if you could get over the fact that you possess FINITIE knowledge while the Judeo Christian God is the Author of life itself, all we see and don't see you might develop some appreciation for how powerful and Intelligent He is. But no, you insist on using your FINITE yardstick of knowledge to judge Him.

With the FINITE knowledge you do possess, you trample all over the Law of Science and objectivity. Something is not generated from nothing. Order is not created out of chaos. People are not animals nor is their ANY evidence to suggest this was ever a possibility. As with humans there is VARIATION within a species but there is NO transition from an animal, an ape to a human being. It's laughable.

Hey, believe whatever you wish and make sure you keep revising those theories which are not facts and never will be.

[nmh]

"By believing in evolution, you would be denying a literal reading of the Bible. I agree with you on that point."


It's really not a "literal" issue. Genesis flows together very nicely on it's face. The Hebrew backs up a 24 hour day for Creation so there really is NO room for other interpretations. As for God creating man and woman - both were made in His image. I dare say God is NO ape and it didn't take God millions or billions of years to create mankind.

"However, not all people who believe in God also believe that the Bible should be read literally. If you read the Bible with some interpretation, you could reconcile it with evolution (ie. God created plants, then fish, then birds, then mammals, then people. If God used evolution as his mechanism for creating these creatures, then the order follows roughly what is predicted by the theory of evolution.)"

By no stretch of the imagination is evolution Biblical. Again the Hebrew for a twenty four hour day clears up any misinterpretation of that. God didn't need trial and error. To believe in evolution IS to call God a liar. BTW did you ever notice the ORDER in which the earth and animals were created in those six days? They back up legitimate science.

"I simply object to your blanket unfounded assertion that ALL evolutionists are also atheists. For example, I think most people would regard Darwin himself as a prominent evolutionist. He was not an atheist (despite the crap I've seen on creationist web sites about this.) What you mean to say is that all evolutionists hold religious beliefs that differ from yours. That may be true, but it is irrelevant to the debate.""

You may object all you like but that doesn't change the fact that believing in evolution rejects God and what He has said. The problem is that truth doesn't vary. Something is either TRUE or it is FALSE. Evolution is FALSE regardless of WHO believes in it and when a person believes in it, they reject God. It's very clear and straight forward. That statement includes Hugh Ross.

[js1138]

I'm off to a family reunion for a few days. Back next week.

[Shryke]

Evolution is FALSE regardless of WHO believes in it and when a person believes in it, they reject God.

Evolution Literal Creationism is FALSE regardless of WHO believes in it and when a person believes in it, they reject God reason.

That was easy enough.

[PatrickHenry]

I'm off to a family reunion for a few days. Back next week.

For an evolutionist, a family reunion can be an immense gathering. Have a good time. We'll be here when you return.

[Scythian]

Complete hogwash as usual ...

[js1138]

For an evolutionist, a family reunion can be an immense gathering.

It's in Virginia. We'll have representitives from all the branches. Some of them are real blood suckers.

[stremba]

So, correct me if i'm wrong, but the entire content of your argument is "I'm right and you're wrong!" You just assert things without any evidence and then you are arrogant enough to just dismiss all of those who have held to any of the various religious views that have arisen in the thousands of years of human history as "atheists". So then, since the Bible says quite clearly that God stopped the sun for Joshua, anyone who still believes that the rotation of the earth is the reason we have night and day is an atheist. Furthermore, even if all evolutionists are atheists as you claim, this argument does absolutely nothing to damage the theory of evolution. Evolution is true or false regardles of the religious beliefs of its proponents.

[Dimensio]

I am puzzled as to why you do not accept what a atheist is - someone who refuses to believe in God. This IS the definition of that.

I don't accept it because it's not the definition. An atheist is someone who is not a theist. A theist is someone who has a belief in a god or gods, therefore an atheist is someone who does not have a belief in a god or gods.

But, of course, you are incredibly arrogant so you believe that it is all about you and it is all about your God, that atheists are specifically out to get you and that we really "know" that your God exists but we just "refuse" to accept it. Guess what, it's not about you. You are presumptious and arrogant. To an atheist, your "God" is no more real than Zeus, Brahman, Odin, Baal or any of the other of the plethoria of deities worshipped throughout human history.

But this is beside the point. Evolution has nothing to do with atheism. The attempt to link evolution with atheism is one of the more common blatant creationist lies.

As for the backgrounds of prominent atheists, YOU should know who they are.

In other words, you're going to make an assertion and then insist that other people do the research for you. Typical. You're nothing but a shameless liar, though that shouldn't be surprising.

You have no understanding of the theory of evolution, yet you speak as though you are an expert. You insist that the theory is false, yet you don't bother to provide a single refutation to a single statement of the theory. Such arrogance and dishonesty is so common amongst creationists that I've come to expect it as the rule rather than the exception.

If I were to come forth and insist that I "know" for a fact that the Bible is full of lies without offering a single example, you'd mock me and tell me that I have nothing to show for my claims, yet you do exactly the same thing with the theory of evolution and you expect to be treated as an expert. Guess what, you only come across as an arrogant blowhard.

[bondserv]

My great grandpa can beat up your great grandpa.

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