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'Hate-crimes' bill to muzzle Christians? (House urges committee to include 'sexual orientation')
World Net Daily ^ | 10-6-04

Posted on 10/06/2004 6:32:42 AM PDT by truthandlife

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1 posted on 10/06/2004 6:32:42 AM PDT by truthandlife
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To: truthandlife

Move over, Canada. Here comes the United States.


2 posted on 10/06/2004 6:33:36 AM PDT by TommyDale
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To: truthandlife

They better kill this hate crimes law.........all crimes are equal.


3 posted on 10/06/2004 6:35:05 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple (seeking the truth here folks.)
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To: PeterPrinciple

They better? LOL!


4 posted on 10/06/2004 6:36:11 AM PDT by Guillermo (OJ is innocent because Mark Fuhrman said the "N" word.)
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To: truthandlife

Congress shall make no law abridging the freedom of speech.


5 posted on 10/06/2004 6:38:44 AM PDT by agere_contra
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To: Guillermo

Who is the guy that posts the *gee not this s#@t again* gif? It may be needed here.


6 posted on 10/06/2004 6:43:09 AM PDT by Kudsman (Flipper opens the debate with "We both love this country". I'd have called him on that immediately.)
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To: agere_contra
"Congress shall make no law abridging the freedom of speech."

That is true as well as:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Plus, the law lacks jurisdiction within the boundaries of sovereign state.

Congress only has legislative jurisdiction within the boundaries of sovereign state through Article I, Sec 8, Cl 3 (commerce clause) and Sec 17 (federaaly purchased state land with consent of the state).

So, if as a Christian or as any other citizen, you are "charged" with a federal "hate crime," be sure to first have the court prove jurisdiction (which the court will not be able to do) before you enter a plea.

Then when the charges are dropped, sue the arresting officer and prosecutor.

7 posted on 10/06/2004 6:55:55 AM PDT by tahiti
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To: truthandlife

All "hate crime" legislation should be done away with. All it accomplishes is to create Protected Classes. A crime is a crime no matter who is victimized.


8 posted on 10/06/2004 7:01:48 AM PDT by An American In Dairyland (Have you forgotten?)
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To: TommyDale
"The homosexual-advocacy group claims the new hate-crimes language has been endorsed by more than 175 law-enforcement, civil-rights, civic and religious organizations"

Well, lemme see. We have 235,000 groups out there that oppose the federal government's violation of Amendment 14, Amendemt 9, and Amendment 10.

Good thing we have the Enumerated Powers Act in place. Such a Bill will be stripped faster than Candy Barr at a hobo convention.

< /sarc

9 posted on 10/06/2004 7:04:56 AM PDT by Eastbound ("Neither a Scrooge nor a Patsy be.")
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To: truthandlife; dd5339; cavtrooper21

ping!


10 posted on 10/06/2004 7:13:53 AM PDT by Vic3O3 (Jeremiah 31:16-17 (KJV))
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To: truthandlife

So if someone kills a child molester it will be a federal crime with stiffer penalties than if the child molester kills the child?


11 posted on 10/06/2004 8:07:43 AM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Legislatures are so outdated. If you want real political victory, take your issue to court.)
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To: PeterPrinciple

There are certain connected groups that MUST be loved by all BY LAW.


12 posted on 10/06/2004 8:11:09 AM PDT by philosofy123
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To: EdReform; GrandMoM; backhoe; Yehuda; Clint N. Suhks; saradippity; stage left; Yakboy; ...

Homosexual Agenda Ping - Haven't had time to read this yet, will later.

Can anyone clarify whether this hate CRIMES bill includes hate SPEECH mention? Maybe I'll figure it out after reading the article... ;-)

Hate Crimes laws is the first step, and Hate Speech laws next. Then there's madatory "education" and "therapy" and then child abuse means growing up with parents who teach and enforce traditional religious morality.

Let Scripter and me know if anyone wants on/off this pinglist.


13 posted on 10/06/2004 10:51:59 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Marriage is the bedrock of human civilization. Destroy marriage, destroy human civilization.)
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

Right. Especially if the child molester is a homo child molester (as many are).

Finally read the article. I don't know, I'm getting discouraged the last few days. Lost my normal background mood of good cheer. Schwarzenegger is really nauseating me. I admit I didn't vote for him, but that is no consolation.

When I lived in OR, I never voted for Gordon Smith, although I would have if his seat was in jeopardy since even a RINO is better than a regular ThugDemocrat.

But now I'm not so clear about it. The socially liberal RINOS are part of the enemy within.


14 posted on 10/06/2004 10:57:18 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Marriage is the bedrock of human civilization. Destroy marriage, destroy human civilization.)
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To: little jeremiah
I know. I get discouraged, too. Just never give up the fight.

"It is better by noble boldness to run the risk of being subject to half the evils we anticipate than to remain in cowardly listlessness for fear of what might happen." --Herodotus

15 posted on 10/06/2004 11:00:42 AM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Legislatures are so outdated. If you want real political victory, take your issue to court.)
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

Thanks. I like Churchill's statement about fighting for the right - if you know that one, want to put it up? I have a file of inspiring quotes but being in the process of trying to fix my computer, I put them somewhere and can't find them.

Here's a good one that the Federalist sent out today:

"A general dissolution of principles and manners will more surely
overthrow the liberties of America than the whole force of the
common enemy. While the people are virtuous they cannot be
subdued; but when once they lose their virtue then will be ready
to surrender their liberties to the first external or internal
invader." --Samuel Adams


16 posted on 10/06/2004 11:08:32 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Marriage is the bedrock of human civilization. Destroy marriage, destroy human civilization.)
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To: truthandlife
Another "1984"ism coming to fruition.
17 posted on 10/06/2004 11:14:21 AM PDT by BureaucratusMaximus ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good" - Hillary Clinton)
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To: little jeremiah

Your posts always inspire me, lj. So when you feel defeated, just remember that you need to stay strong for the others of us who are fighting this battle with you.


18 posted on 10/06/2004 11:16:01 AM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Legislatures are so outdated. If you want real political victory, take your issue to court.)
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To: little jeremiah
Can anyone clarify whether this hate CRIMES bill includes hate SPEECH mention? Maybe I'll figure it out after reading the article... ;-)

Welcome to the world of Kerry/Kennedy. Think about it, All of our founding fathers would be fined and/or imprisoned for their views on sodomites.

Noah webster would be imprisoned for his dictionary!

Not merely the validity of experience but the very existence of external reality was tacitly denied by their philosophy. The heresy of heresies was common sense. George Orwell - 1984. On the Thought Police.

19 posted on 10/06/2004 2:00:48 PM PDT by DirtyHarryY2K (G W B 2004! Friends Don't Let Friends Vote For DemocRATS)
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past; little jeremiah
Your posts always inspire me, lj. So when you feel defeated, just remember that you need to stay strong for the others of us who are fighting this battle with you.

I second that. Thanks lj for your time and hard work. keep up the good fight.

20 posted on 10/06/2004 2:17:17 PM PDT by DirtyHarryY2K (G W B 2004! Friends Don't Let Friends Vote For DemocRATS)
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