Posted on 10/05/2004 5:15:05 PM PDT by 4.1O dana super trac pak
I refer to the massive porous borders of the US and Canada and Mexico as "open" borders. I refer to the term "open" as any area in which illegals can cross freely without the proper documentation. I referred to my backyard in AZ as an "open border" as illegals ran past circumventing legal entry. BTW, many of those illegals were "OTM".
No he isn't. That's a lie.
"You ought to get it into your head that Bush is not a deity and no person in this country is obligated to treat him as such. This "Bush can do no wrong" bullshit is getting way out of hand."
Damn Dude....you need a slap on the back, a gold star for the day and one "attaboy".
"Semantics: the last refuge of knaves."
Then why do hundreds die each year trying to cross? Why do they pay coyotes thousands of dollars to get them across the border? Why are we spending billions to prevent them from crossing? Why do we have patrol aircraft, helicopters, drones, fences, towers with cameras, patrol boats, movement sensors, undercover agents, rewards, infrared optics, mounted patrols, all terrain vehicles...
You may want more resources devoted to keeping cheap labor out of America, others of us have different priorities for our tax dollars.
Only 5% of shipping containers are searched because we don't have the man power to search more of them. As between spending money to keep Mexicans with weed whackers from crossing the border and keeping nuclear WMDs from entering the country, I opt for more ship inspectors.
"Then why don't you make those arguments? Why don't you tell us what the economic impact would be on our economy if 10 million employees were suddenly eliminated. Why don't you explain the history of immigration in America? Why don't you examine the political influence of labor unions in opposing immigrant laborers?"
Because you jumped the gun and assigned racist and hateful motives to people as if they couldn't possibly have rational reasons for their views.
History: We have no history of unending mass immigration into this nation. The great European wave of 1880-1920 did not end on its own. Congress cut it off in the early 1920s and put in place laws that led to moderate levels of immigration for the next 40+ years, which no doubt helped assimilate all the Italians, Germans, etc. Therefore it is wrong for those who argue that past success in assimilting millions of immigrants points to future success because you are leaving out the very inconvenient fact that part of the past successes were due to a long period of lower levels of immigration. And that is just one of the many things that set this era apart from the past one. Others include that in the past, govt was much smaller and provided many fewer services, ethnic interest groups did not have the credibility they do now, there were no racial preferences (I'd love to hear ANYONE defend the insane policy of importing people who are eligible to receive a preference over the native born whites of the nation), there was no multiculturalism, and their was no elite worship of 'diversity.' We have all of those wonderful things now.
Economics: Its a red-herring to say that we will round up all illegals in one mass sweep. There are things you can do to encourage self-deportation. But anyway, there is no proof that he US economy would collapse if we had LESS immigration. Studies have come down on both sides as to the net effect of immigration, but the most famous was the one done by the National Academy of Sciences in the 1990s. It found a net positive -- to the whopping tune of one tenth of one percent of GDP, or about $10 billion in a $10 trillion dollar economy. In other words; almost nothing.
Politics: Unending mass immigration is beneficial to the Democrats. I don't see how you can deny that. Most Hispanics vote Democratic, and now most Asians do as well. With Hispanics that is simply the general rule, with just a few exceptions.
Labor unions used to oppose immigrant laborers for the very logical reason that it undercut their bargaining position and power. Now, however, groups like the AFL-CIO favor amnesty for illegal aliens because they hope to make new members out of them and because they know most of them will vote Democratic.
I do remember the Buchanan ad. It may have been in bad taste, I don't know, but it underlined a very real concern about cultural and linguistic balkanization that could occur. Wanting everyone to speak English in the US does not mean one is a racist.
Just so you know, I don't want Buchanan to be President. I disagree with him on many things, but I am not going to attack a guy who has been demonized not just for some admittedly questionable comments, but also for perfectly reasonable ones. Remember when he asked the hypothetical question of who the US could more easily absord and assimiltate -- one million English or one million Zulu -- and he was attacked for it? That was a simple, common sense point that people insisted on taking as proof of racism.
I'll SECOND that!
A dirty bomb being brought into the US by a "mule" is probability much greater than by ship. More Border Patrol? Damn right.
Because their chances of dying in the Arizona desert are much less than their chances of becoming a homicide victim at home and they lack the cojones to stand and fight.
Wimps. They all squat to pee.
I thank you.
Including Republicans. Which includes Bush.
My buds at American Border Patrol have openly smuggled simulated WMDs into this country from Mexico on numerous occasions, through one of the Border Patrol's most heavily defended sectors, aand succeeded every time. Border security is a joke.
Man wounded in shoot-out with Border Patrol
Posted: 10/04/2004 – 07:00:05
SIERRA VISTA, Ariz. (AP) -- A man suspected of transporting undocumented immigrants was wounded in a shoot out with the U.S. Border Patrol near Tombstone.
The shooting happened around noon Sunday after a Border Patrol agent tried to pull over a vehicle east of the San Pedro River. Initially, the car's driver failed to pull over but eventually did, said Andy Adame, a spokesman for the Border Patrol's Tucson sector.
Shots were fired and the suspect was wounded, Adame said. Additional details about the shooting weren't immediately available.
The man, who's identity wasn't released, was transported to a Tucson hospital.
Four illegal immigrants were taken into custody from the vehicle.
Detectives from the Cochise County Sheriff's Department and agents from the Federal Bureau of Investigation are looking into the case.
So far this year, there have been about 100 cases of Border Patrol agents assaulted by smugglers, Adame said. Last year, the Border Patrol counted 115 similar cases.
Cochise County? What's the name of the Pizza and Wings place there in Sierra Vista?
Saw that earlier; here's another number you'll appreciate from the O'Reilly interview with President Bush:
"I think there's a thousand more border patrol agents along the border...."
No need to worry any longer; he "thinks" there are more border agents; obviously he is taking the situation seriously. Everything should clear up for you shortly. And this should definitely eliminate any concern about terrorists coming across the border.
BUMP
You may want more resources devoted to keeping cheap labor illegal alien lawbreakers out of America, others of us have different priorities for our tax dollars.
As between spending money to keep Mexicans illegal alien lawbreakers with weed whackers from crossing the border and keeping nuclear WMDs from entering the country, I opt for more ship inspectors.
Ref: Post #12 - you are right on. Everybody knows most of the illegals, when given amnesty or vote illegally, will vote for the democrats. Looks like Bush is the one helping the democrats win, especially in the future.
"Family values doesn't stop at the border"
-W.
That pretty much sums up how Bush feels about the illegal immigration and borders issue. I like Bush and respect him greatly but the fact that BOTH sides of the political spectrum are ignoring the people on this should be a wake up call to Americans. Instead all anyone cares about is the election. Do we want illegal immigration in droves or tidal waves? That is our current choice.
Tancredo is one of the few Americans who is standing up to this madness and God bless him for it. Any of you catch him on Savage a couple weeks ago? It was a great interview. He is going to speak at an event Savage is arranging after the election.
No, blame Bush. Tancredo's doing his job, while Bush is leaving our borders wide open, and encouraging illegal scumbag aliens to break into our nation. If Bush can't/won't do anything to address our biggest national security threat, IOW our bleeding borders and coastlines, then he doesn't deserve to be re-elected. I'd rather see gridlock again, assuming the Pubbies could find their gonads and quit caving at every opportunity.
Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.