Posted on 10/04/2004 8:04:45 PM PDT by sheana
You're looking for dirt cheap labor too, eh????
The Cubans do. And the last poll I saw showed Bush doing much better this year with the Hispanic vote than he did in 2000.
What an incredible statement.
Like they always say, If it don't make sense, there's a buck in it somewhere...
But equally, no sensible conservative can like this debate coming up less than a month from the most important election of our lifetimes.
I don't see it that way...If George is forced to take a public stand "against" illegal immigration, he will win this election in a landslide...And if he stays on the side of the illegal criminals, he has lost nothing since his opponent agrees with him 100%...So where's the problem???
I saw Tancredo and Roy Blunt (R) whip on Lou Dobbs earlier. Blunt is as adamant about this asTancredo because of national security....looks like they do listen when some of us voice our objections. Nothing was mentioned about the Bush/State Dept/SSA's recent move to give illegals full Social Security benefits with only 6 work credits...you and I need 40.
Roy Blunt, Republican whip disagrees with you and says the majority of republicans in the house are on board with Tancredo because of National security concerns. The Republican congress is fighting Bush on this and Bush better listen. I want Bush to win, but this illegal/border thing is gonna hurt him.
"This web site is on record as supporting President Bush and ALL Republicans for re-election/election."
Is this web site on record forbidding the discussion of a policy that is a cancer to our economic and national security? Howlin, are you ready to give illegal aliens.. full Social Security benefits with only 6 work credits, when YOU need 40? You better pray AARP doesn't find out about the new totalization agreement with Mexico that the SSA/State Dept/Bush Administration just pushed through and Congress didn't bother to give any oversight to.
Where the hell did I say any of that? I think you jumped a little quick there, didn't you?
HOWLIN said:
"If you're not supporting George W. Bush this time, you're in the wrong place.
This web site is on record as supporting President Bush and ALL Republicans for re-election/election."
Post #165, Answer my question instead of changing the subject. Is this website against the discussion of a BAD policy of the current administration? If so, I'll take it somewhere else.
And FR supports ALL republicans? I need to see that in print.
>>It's time to consider the nation, not just the party.<<
You need to change your calendar! That date passed long before 9/10/01
Do you believe U.S. homeland security is possible without control over its borders?
Yes 5% 273 votes
No 95% 4706 votes
http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/lou.dobbs.tonight/
This web site is on record as supporting President Bush and ALL Republicans for re-election/election.
When a Mexican flys a jet into a skyscraper, I'll support this. I have no argument with this system POSSIBLY stopping the 911 attacks, it might have. But as I've said all along, we should be welcoming anyone who wants to come into this country and WORK, in an attempt to better their lives. We have too many LEGAL Americans who could take a strong lesson in the work ethic from Mexicans.
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Where do you get this totally sappy and stupid shit? Are you for open borders like the idiots at Wall Street Journal? What part of the word illegal do you not comprehend?
As for families, they are doing that now because they have no guarantee that they will be able to return when they make trips home to visit. In view of that, the families try to cross and most often succeed.
The permit would allow controlled and monitored transit and would eliminate this problem. But, I will grant you the point that the family situation is not addressed in the Bush proposal, and it remains a problem in either the status quo situation, or the Bush proposal and certainly needs to be addressed by congress when/if they write a new bill.
I think that whatever we do, it should be strictly controlled. What we want to accomplish is to make the employment temporary and encourage families to remain in Mexico.
International worker permits have been issue for decades. They often do not allow families to transit, except under regulated terms and conditions. Once a system is implemented the data base on all workers will include all the info we need to enforce policy, including the names and addresses of relatives, the place of employment and a background check to eliminate criminals.
This will go a long way toward controlling numbers, security and allowing normal immigration patterns to reestablish with time for assimilation IMO.
Sure, we can sit here at the keyboard and come up with plenty of potential problems when ever we deal with this issue, but to do nothing is the real danger.
The momentum and pressure is so intense to cross that any policy need to take that reality into account. Any policy we make has to use these forces like a judo move and take advantage of the momentum by allowing it to occur and then turning that same energy against the problem to control it.
To simply try to stand in the way of it has not worked, will not suddenly start working and is totally illogical, improbable and ineffective.
This idea is not a "pie in the sky" fix. It is a real proposal that has a great deal of merit, IMO.
I cannot dismiss it and I see no possible way of sealing the border with our "open society" values that always get in the way of any attempts to do so. The reality that compromises will be required in congress and attempts by one party or the other to get anything passed is impossible.
The reality that something must be done now, outweighs any partisan political desires.
No of course not.
An invasion as discussed in the Constitution was a MILITARY invasion. You think Indians peacefully crossing and recrossing borders was an "invasion?" There was NO concern about individuals crossing borders for the first 170+ yrs of our nation's history.
Our Founders WANTED more people to come, they certainly were NEVER concerned about people coming here to work.
Now times have changed but what has NOT changed is the Constitution wrt illegal immigration since there was no such concept when it was written. Trying to stretch illegal immigration into an "invasion" as discussed in Article 1 requires the same kind of mental gymnastics as finding a right to an abortion in the Constitution.
Anyone undermining the President at this crucial junction is clearly undermining the Constitution. I know the Constitution far better than you One Trick Ponies. In fact, I know it so well that I know that there is no mention of border control in it.
177 posted on 10/05/2004 1:22:21 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (My father is 10X the hero John Fraud Kerry is.)
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Only an idiot would believe Bush has put his political future ahead of the concerns of the nation.
He tackled the enormous problem of terrorism knowing full well that the RATmedia would do everything it could to defeat him. Rather than punt the problem down the road like the Abomination before him he tackled it head on.
Your joining the RATmedia in attacking this great leader shows us as much about you as him. Fortunately the Crackpot vote is very small.
If you don't want to have the Constitution discussed don't bring it up. You certainly need some help in understanding it as your goofy ravings clearly demonstrate.
I'm starting to hope that John Kerry wins so that I can laugh at all you Frenchies.
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